Dec 28, 2020 · 36m · 20vc
20VC: Lessons From Working with Bill Gates, How To Lead Without Authority and The Difference Between Leadership and Management & How Fundraising Changes In A COVID World with Quentin Clark, Managing Director @ General Catalyst
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In this episode of 20VC, host Harry Stebbings interviews Quentin Clark, Managing Director at General Catalyst and former CTO at Dropbox and SAP. Clark shares leadership principles honed under Bill Gates, discusses his transition from tech executive to venture partner, and offers insights on board governance, deep-tech investing, and post-pandemic behavior shifts.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Harry holds 30.4% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Harry as informed peer 2.6 Guest teaching 3.8 Guest disagreement 1.2 Harry pushing back 1.0
speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 33:18 Rejecting venture FOMO pricing
Quentin dismisses FOMO-driven dealmaking in venture capital, stating that collective fear pushes valuations to insolvency and asserting that he refuses to let market anxiety drive his firm's decisions.
Hardest push from Harry ▶ 19:03 Challenging incremental venture investingHarry directly challenges Quentin on whether the current venture ecosystem is actually funding bold, fundamental breakthroughs or merely making safe, incremental bets for IRR multiples.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 7:25 You are the donkey, not the heroWhen Harry confesses his inability to delegate, Quentin gently educates him using a memorable quote from his former manager, reframing delegation as essential people development rather than personal heroism.
Harry holds his own ▶ 21:10 Pressing on market timing riskHarry demonstrates keen investor acumen by pushing Quentin on the dangers of market timing risk in frontier tech, pointing out that timing failures destroy even the smartest moonshot investments.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Harry as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Harry pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Quentin Clark's Career Transition from Operator to Venture Capitalist | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | Harry asks standard background questions about Quentin's journey into VC and an entertaining war story from his time at Microsoft. Quentin shares his transition story and recounts a famous debate with Bill Gates about WinFS. | |
| Core Principles of Management and Effective Team Delegation | 1 | 5 | 1 | 0 | Harry candidly admits his personal struggles with delegation and trust, asking Quentin for advice. Quentin coaches Harry by sharing a lesson from his former manager George Santino, who taught him that stepping in to do a subordinate's work makes you the donkey, not the hero. | |
| Distinguishing Leadership from Management and Skill Cultivation | 2 | 4 | 1 | 0 | Harry asks Quentin to clarify the difference between leadership and management, and whether these skills are innate. Quentin explains that leadership is about followership while management is about building a cohesive operating system. | |
| Building Founder Trust and Navigating Remote Fundraising | 2 | 3 | 1 | 0 | Harry asks how investors can build founder trust in remote, fast-paced deal environments. Quentin describes how he uses phone calls over Zoom to create conversational intimacy and mentions making investments without meeting founders in person. | |
| Navigating the Operator-to-VC Transition and The Two Humps | 3 | 4 | 1 | 0 | Harry uses prep quotes from Brent at Commure to ask Quentin about transitioning from operator to investor and the two humps operators experience. Quentin outlines the 6-month lack of structure hump and the 2-year itch to have a hand back on the tiller. | |
| Underwriting Venture Risk and Market Timing in Deep Tech | 5 | 5 | 2 | 5 | Harry challenges whether modern VC is doing true venture or incremental IRR investing, and expresses skepticism about market timing risk. Quentin reframes venture risk by distinguishing engineering risk from science risk using Kernel as a case study. | |
| Evaluating Permanent Behavioral Shifts in Healthtech and Consumer Demand | 3 | 4 | 1 | 0 | Harry asks how to differentiate permanent behavioral adoption from transient pandemic spikes. Quentin explains that pandemic acceleration took away friction in existing trends like telemedicine where users will never go back to traditional workflows. | |
| Socratic Board Governance and Avoiding Unintended Directives | 4 | 4 | 1 | 3 | Quentin outlines his Socratic board management style, but Harry pushes back by noting that senior operators' casual questions carry heavy authoritative weight with young founders. Quentin agrees and explains how he explicitly caveats curiosity versus direction. | |
| Board Management Strategies for Founders and Personal Vulnerability | 3 | 4 | 1 | 0 | Harry asks how top founders manage boards and then prompts Quentin to share personal vulnerabilities. Quentin advises founders to eliminate surprises and candidly reflects on the fear of starting a new venture career after 20 years in operating. | |
| Quickfire Round: Books, Future of Work, Luck, and Investments | 2 | 3 | 2 | 2 | In the quickfire round, Harry asks about remote work, contrarian truths, and venture flaws. Quentin criticizes industry FOMO dynamics that push valuations to insolvency, while Harry admits he experiences intense FOMO. |
Statements from this episode (20)
Clark: Microsoft's culture was insular and disconnected before Satya Nadella
“Microsoft before Satya was a little insular. Like, we're up there in the woods in Seattle, and we didn't really kind of get down to the valley very much, right?”
Clark: The SAP CTO title opened every door in Silicon Valley
“SAP was a great job, because everyone took the call from the CTO of SAP, right?”
Clark: Winning a debate against Bill Gates was a Microsoft rite of passage
“And it was a rite of passage to be in a conference room with Bill and in a debate with him and win a point. Like, just to win a debate, right, was this major rite of passage.”
Clark: A manager's primary job is continuously developing team capabilities
“The job as a manager is to develop The capabilities underneath you at all times.”
Clark: Management can be taught, but leadership requires real-world practice
“Management is definitely something that more can be taught, like, at school. You know what I mean? Like, there's books to read, there's techniques to put in play, there's things that work for people. You can go learn those things. It's much more of a book lear…”
Clark: Phone calls build more intimacy with founders than Zoom
“Something about Zoom, while you get some visual cues, it also kind of creates this sense of, like, we have to be, like, working on this topic and whatever, yeah, and something about being on the phone puts people more concentrated, more focused on that person,…”
Clark: General Catalyst closed multiple deals without meeting founders in person
“I've done seven or eight investments, I guess, since I started. Four or five of those are during the pandemic, right? That ballpark. And I've done three or four of these now without ever meeting the founder.”
Clark: Former operators face schedule shock six months into venture capital
“The two spots are kind of six months in and two years in. At the six month in mark, it's kind of, what am I doing exactly? Especially for a lot of people that come into venture, they show up for their first Monday or whatever, and they literally have nothing t…”
Clark: Former operators in VC miss operational control after two years
“The other hump comes around two years in where most people after, you know, long operating careers, it's kind of a relief not to have to like drive and make decisions every day and be in that machine. But after a couple of years for a lot of people, that charm…”
Clark: General Catalyst incubated healthcare startup Commure in-house
“Yeah, that's a great question, and Commure is a unique-ish example in the sense that Commure is a company that Hamath and I started within General Catalyst. It's a quote, what we call hatch, Right. It's an incubation from within the firm.”
Clark: The neurotech market unlock will rival the scale of genomics
“When we start to understand genes, to this day, we're still learning how to take advantage of that knowledge day to day in the medical industry, in the medical research industry, and the same thing will come for the brain.”
Clark: Venture capital should underwrite engineering risk, not science risk
“We're not that interested in investing in science because we don't know how that's going to turn out. I am interested in investing in engineering.”
Clark: Check pre-pandemic traction to identify durable consumer demand
“I think that one of the things you can look at is there evidence of something working before the pandemic hit to distinguish between are we looking at acceleration because of the forced onboarding, or are we looking at something that has been created just duri…”
Clark: General Catalyst is Livongo's largest shareholder during Teladoc merger
“And you may know that we're the largest shareholders in Livongo. Livongo is merging now with Teladoc, and there's like a whole thesis behind that.”
Clark: Healthcare consumers will not return to pre-pandemic in-person visits
“After we've been on board in that experience, nobody's going back to the old way. Like the old way of, I pick up the phone. I punch a lot of buttons to go through a call tree. I finally end up with a human being. They send me up on a schedule four weeks from n…”
Clark: Board members should guide founders via mentorship, not authority
“Our job is really to help them find their answers by being a focusing factor, right? Help them sort out their own thinking, not impose your own. It's leading without authority, and it's leading through mentorship, is sort of the mentality.”
Clark: Even positive unexpected surprises erode board trust
“The number one piece of advice I can give founders is around managing their boards is don't surprise anybody. Just no surprises. Even good surprises erode trust.”
Clark: Board management should feel like jazz improv, not an orchestra
“But I think when this is done well, for the board member, it feels like you have the space to think, to collaborate, to contribute. More like improv. If you want to compare this to different kinds of bands, right, it's more like jazz, less like orchestra.”