Aug 14, 2023 · 1h 15m · news
Tim Urban: How "Wait But Why" Grew to 600k Readers; AI's Revolutionary Impact on Media | E1048 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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In this episode of the 20VC podcast, host Harry Stebbings interviews "Wait But Why" creator Tim Urban about his journey building a massive independent blog, his structured research and writing methodology, and his nuanced perspectives on the existential risks and promises of artificial intelligence.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Harry holds 16.5% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Harry as informed peer 3.5 Guest teaching 4.1 Guest disagreement 1.4 Harry pushing back 2.6
speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 43:43 Tim rejects Harry's volume strategy dogma
Tim directly pushes back against Harry's firm assertion that creators must publish across every short-form video platform, arguing that focusing on an A+++ primary medium is superior.
Hardest push from Harry ▶ 13:33 Harry pushes Tim to launch a venture fundHarry forcefully refuses Tim's reluctance to enter venture capital, citing fund economics, AngelList back-office ease, and Tim's dealflow advantage to convince him to raise $10 million.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 20:48 Tim explains his 1-10 research expertise scaleTim educates Harry on his structured research system, explaining how he systematically moves from level 2 baseline ignorance to level 6 intuitive understanding across complex subjects.
Harry holds his own ▶ 13:33 Harry demonstrates deep venture capital expertiseHarry demonstrates strong domain mastery by mapping out fund sizing, AngelList administrative back-ends, and deal sourcing mechanics to pitch Tim on a venture vehicle.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Harry as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Harry pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Hook: AI and the Fracture of Shared Reality | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | Harry opens with glowing praise for Tim, jokingly admitting he passed off Tim's AI writing as his own years ago, before asking a light childhood icebreaker. | |
| Hating Constraints: Running From and Towards Freedom | 3 | 3 | 1 | 2 | Harry asks psychological questions about what Tim is running from and towards. Tim explains his deep aversion to scheduled constraints and introduces his Instant Gratification Monkey framework. | |
| The Birth of Wait But Why and Overcoming Procrastination | 2 | 3 | 0 | 1 | Harry asks about the birth of Wait But Why as a viable business. Tim recounts stepping away from test prep with his business partner to dedicate 60 hours a week to blogging. | |
| Monetizing the Blog: AdWords, Patreon, and Speaking | 4 | 3 | 1 | 3 | Harry asks about monetization channels and challenges whether public speaking feels like selling one's soul. Tim defends speaking as a natural translation of blog posts into a lucrative format. | |
| Resisting Scale and the Venture Capital Proposal | 7 | 3 | 3 | 7 | Harry uses his venture capital background to actively pitch Tim on raising an $8-10M VC fund using AngelList and his research brand. Tim repeatedly resists, citing schedule claustrophobia. | |
| Topic Selection: Curiosity vs. Commercial Appeal | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2 | Harry cites comments from Tim's friends regarding his intense curiosity and asks how he filters topics. Tim explains evaluating genuine excitement over commercial buzz like crypto. | |
| Tim's Research and Note-Taking Methodology | 3 | 6 | 0 | 2 | Harry asks tactical questions about research workflows and note-taking apps. Tim breaks down his 1-to-10 expertise scale, explaining how he moves from level 2 fog to level 6 clarity using Wikipedia, YouTube, and Kindle highlights. | |
| Finding the "Sweet Spot" of Complexity and Depth | 3 | 6 | 2 | 3 | Harry questions whether complex science topics like metabolism become too dense for broad audiences. Tim rejects the premise, explaining that his job is finding the sweet spot of dopamine hits between high-level fluff and dense jargon. | |
| Chasing Virality: Expectations vs. Reality | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2 | Harry prompts Tim on virality expectations vs real outcomes. Tim contrasts the flop of his Apple Game post with the unexpected 14 million readers for his Yuppies post. | |
| The Reality of the Writing Process: Routine and "Dead on the Inside" Mode | 2 | 5 | 1 | 2 | Harry asks for the specifics of Tim's writing routine. Tim describes entering 'dead on the inside mode' during high-stakes deadlines and overcoming non-fiction creative roadblocks. | |
| Content Strategy: Consistency, Volume, and Distribution | 5 | 5 | 4 | 5 | Harry asserts that consistency and cross-platform volume are absolute requirements for content success. Tim directly pushes back, arguing for mastery on a single primary medium and explaining how an email list frees creators from publishing schedules. | |
| Personal Branding and the Shape of Growth | 3 | 4 | 2 | 2 | Harry asks if Tim enjoys being a brand and whether subscriber growth is linear or staccato. Tim mildly rejects the brand label and explains how evergreen content creates steeper and shallower diagonal growth curves. | |
| Managing Productivity: Pushing Through Creative "Zeros" | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2 | Harry and Tim compare anti-procrastination commitment devices. Tim explains his financial penalty system for missing 800 words a day to guarantee mediocre daily output rather than volatile zeros. | |
| Handling Online Critics and Negativity | 3 | 5 | 1 | 1 | Harry asks about managing criticism and internet vitriol. Tim shares a mathematical framework comparing 40 toxic comments to a full stadium of 80,000 supportive readers. | |
| Pride, Political Backlash, and the 2015 AI Post | 4 | 4 | 1 | 2 | Harry asks about Tim's proudest work, political pushback, and reflections on his 2015 AI post. Tim explains the inevitable backlash from writing about political tribalism. | |
| AI's Threat to Shared Reality and Civilizational Stability | 6 | 6 | 2 | 4 | Harry quotes Tim on AI shaking civilization's foundations and offers his own thesis on verification layers and media brand value. Tim warns about the collapse of shared reality and infrastructure fragility. | |
| The Double-Edged Sword of AI: Optimism vs. Alien Threats | 4 | 5 | 2 | 3 | Harry asks if Tim is overall optimistic about civilization's future despite AI and debt. Tim uses an alien spaceship metaphor to describe AI's potential to solve human problems or destroy stability. | |
| Quickfire Round: Book Recommendations, Regrets, and Future Goals | 3 | 3 | 2 | 2 | Harry conducts a quickfire round touching on books, stock regrets, Elon Musk, and five-year goals. Tim jokingly calls out people who ask annoying questions about Musk, leading to light banter. |
Statements from this episode (24)
Urban: AI will accelerate the fracture of shared societal reality
“We already see, of course, the fracture of the shared reality because of tribal narrow cast media, you know, each telling their own story and social media, creating bubbles of reality. And I think AI can just accelerate these trends.”
Stebbings passed off Tim Urban's AI writing as his own
“I just mentioned that I actually tried to Passed some of it off as my own intellect on AI about seven years ago, and it worked”
Urban: Lack of external structure lets instant gratification dictate decisions
“And then if you don't have any of those external structured things, then you end up in a you can end up with the monkey kind of running your whole life suddenly. So now it's like, you're actually like the monkey is making the decisions, which is actually worse…”
Urban: Wait But Why speaking revenue can exceed Patreon and merch
“Patreon, trying to, it's hard to remember the exact percentages, but like, Patreon, you know, is bigger than merch, partially because we just haven't made that much new merch recently but there's always, you know, there's always patrons, new patrons and speaki…”
Urban: Long-form writing monetizes downstream through paid speaking engagements
“It's like it's like taking content that if I write this AI post, it actually doesn't make much money because it's just on a blog. If I now go do a bunch of talks on AI, to me, that's like, that's the way that, that the, all the work I did for that AI post actu…”
Urban: Wait But Why will remain a two-person team
“Six years ago, we hired Alicia who's the manager of lots of things which is just like the second in command at Wait But Why and does a little of everything. And that's about it. I was just like, I don't want a big team.”
Tim Urban plans to launch a new podcast in 2023
“I am starting a podcast later you know, this year probably”
Urban ignored crypto because it lacked proven future significance
“People wanted me to write about crypto, and I was kind of just like, ah, I don't know. This is, it's like this hasn't proven yet to be a huge part of the future, and if not, then it just seems so boring to write about.”
Urban: Deep research beyond intermediate understanding yields diminishing returns
“There's a diminishing return on like excitement as you keep putting those years in. So for me, it's like, I want to get from like a two or three, you know, to a six. Five or six, something like that, where it's like, oh, okay, I understand this way more deeply…”
Urban: 'Why Generation Y Yuppies Are Unhappy' reached 14M readers
“Fourteen million people read that in a week.”
Urban: Self-imposed deadlines drive output of 2,000 to 3,000 words daily
“If I have a deadline I've imposed on myself, and I say, this post is going to be up Friday, then I can, like, probably write two or 3000 words a day, Thursday and Friday, and get it up, you know.”
Urban: A large email list reduces the need for posting consistency
“A big email list makes it less important to have consistency. I still think it's better than not. I think that you know, it's not ideal the way I do things, but I'm very inconsistent now. I'll disappear for a while, and then I'll come out with something big, a…”
Stebbings: Winning at modern content is purely a game of volume
“Volume is everything today. It is purely a game of output. You need YouTube shorts, you need Instagram reels, you need TikToks, you need podcast episodes, you need blog posts, you need Twitter threads, you need to be everywhere because attention is currency, a…”
Urban: New creators should master one core medium before expanding
“I don't think that, that, that a new creator needs to be worrying about, oh, I only doing like writing and drawing right now. I need to also be doing TikTok. So we need to start doing video to make sure we have stuff on TikTok. I don't think I think they shoul…”
Stebbings: Creators should spend at least 50% of their time on distribution
“Whatever time you spend creating content, you should spend the same time or more distributing.”
Urban: Wait But Why's SpaceX post inspired readers to join the company
“That post, like, inspired some young people to go work at SpaceX and work in that industry, so I'm very happy about that”
Urban: AI danger stems from super-potency, not malicious intent
“AI is probably gonna be dangerous not because It's going to be evil Terminator robots, but because it's going to be super powerful with unintended consequences”
Stebbings: AI verification challenges will drive value to existing media brands
“Verification as a layer becomes one of the most valuable, but I think value accrues to existing media brands because verification becomes more and more challenging. And so the authentic followership that we have, Becomes more valuable because it becomes more a…”
Urban: AI will solve climate and lifespan challenges by the 2050s
“I think that AI, if things go well, I think we're going to have so many answers. In the near future. I think we're going to solve so many problems that seem really hard to us right now. I think 20, you know, these problems won't be a match for 20 fifties human…”
Urban: The world in 2080 will be amazing, not a dystopia
“So deep down, I still kind of feel like if I went into a time machine and got out in 2080, I'd be entering an amazing world, not a horrible dystopia. But I don't know, I couldn't really defend that argument.”
Urban sold his Tesla stock at $700 before the split
“I sold Tesla at like when it was at 700 before split. So it was like one, I don't know, eighth or 10th of what it is now. I made a couple of good ones along the way, but it's like just soul crushing.”
Urban: AI could automate his writing job within two years
“12 months ago I had any inkling that AI might steal my job within, like two years. Didn't, I would have guessed, like, 20. So that's, I mean, and that's one of a hundred different things that I've been shocked about with AI in the last few months like everyone…”
Urban: Elon Musk will make Twitter successful within five years
“If, again, you put me in a time machine five years from now, my gut is I come out and it, yes, the answer is yes. Just because this guy does things well and sometimes it takes a while, right? And there's going to be a lot of experimentation. It's going to be a…”