token

also referred to as: tokens

18 statements across 14 episodes · 6 bullish · 5 bearish · 12 people on the record · first statement Apr 11, 2022 by Avichal Garg · across every show →

Everything said about token, oldest first

Apr 11, 2022 neutral
Insight
Avichal Garg: Token value creation often requires writing off founding equity
“We see cases where actually, yes, today there's a company, but the real value clearly will be in the token. And actually you want the company to dissolve and not exist. So effectively you're going to invest in some equity over time. You'll get some tokens, whi…”
Avichal Garg Apr 11, 2022 ▶ 29:17 20VC: Why Crypto is Software Eating Money, Why Crypto Firms Will Outcompete Traditional Venture Firms, How To Price Tokens and When To Have Them, DAOs: How Are They Structured and What Makes One Successful with Avichal Garg, Co-Founder @ Electric Capital
Jul 22, 2022 negative
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Samani: Value accrual to both tokens and equity creates conflicting incentives
“In almost all cases, there should not be value accrual to tokens and equity. There are a couple of exceptions to that. But as a general rule, that is true. For teams that try and pitch you value accrual to both, it is almost certain that those two things are i…”
Kyle Samani Jul 22, 2022 ▶ 7:33 Kyle Samani: Why Bitcoin is Not a Hedge Against Inflation | 20VC #909 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Jul 22, 2022 bearish
Disclosure
Samani: In crypto venture deals, equity will be worth nothing
“Mechanically speaking, with a lot of the private round market deals that get done these days they're legally structured as SAFs, excuse me, as SAFs with token warrants or equity rounds with token warrants, but the primary asset that we believe will have value …”
Kyle Samani Jul 22, 2022 ▶ 8:41 Kyle Samani: Why Bitcoin is Not a Hedge Against Inflation | 20VC #909 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Jul 22, 2022 bullish
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Samani: Tokens help distribute wealth rather than concentrate it
“Without question, tokens help distribute wealth.”
Kyle Samani Jul 22, 2022 ▶ 15:58 Kyle Samani: Why Bitcoin is Not a Hedge Against Inflation | 20VC #909 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Jul 22, 2022 neutral
Insight
Samani: Tokens only make sense for coordinating permissionless public behavior
“Tokens only make sense if you need to incentivize behavior in a permissionless fashion among the public at large. To have them all coordinate on, on some sort of broader shared objective.”
Kyle Samani Jul 22, 2022 ▶ 9:18 Kyle Samani: Why Bitcoin is Not a Hedge Against Inflation | 20VC #909 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Oct 21, 2024 neutral
Assertion Supported
Hamid: LLM token prices dropped 200x over the last 18 months
“In the last 18 months the price of a token has gone down by 200 X”
Mamoon Hamid Oct 21, 2024 ▶ 17:21 Mamoon Hamid: AI - Where Value Accrues, Startups vs Incumbents & Scaling Laws | E1217 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Oct 21, 2024 bullish
Prediction Open · timeframe Oct 2026
Hamid: LLM token prices will fall another 10x-20x within two years
“So, will it go down to the next two years? I don't know, but it will probably go down by 10 X or 20 X”
Mamoon Hamid Oct 21, 2024 ▶ 17:37 Mamoon Hamid: AI - Where Value Accrues, Startups vs Incumbents & Scaling Laws | E1217 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Jan 29, 2025 positive
Assertion Supported
Ross: AI token cost drops consistently spark significant demand growth
“And so what's happened is every time we've seen the cost of tokens for a particular level of quality of models come down, we've actually seen the demand grow significantly.”
Jonathan Ross Jan 29, 2025 ▶ 40:42 Jonathan Ross: DeepSeek Special - How Should OpenAI and the US Government Respond | E1253 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
May 7, 2026 bullish
Assertion Not checkable as stated
O'Driscoll: Anthropic likely grew its LLM token volume 15x in Q1
“But the truth is, Antropic probably grew tokens, 15 X in Q one, right?”
Rory O'Driscoll May 7, 2026 ▶ 7:06 Anthropic's Raise & What It Means for Potential IPO? Mag7: Google & Amazon Up, Meta & Microsoft Down · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
May 14, 2026 bearish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Lemkin: Companies will clamp down on token waste within one year
“In a year from now, we're not gonna be wasting tokens on mediocre web developers playing with stuff, and we're gonna clamp down on it because it's a huge waste.”
Jason Lemkin May 14, 2026 ▶ 27:33 Anthropic Buys Compute From Elon & Commits $200BN to Google | Cerebras IPO | Ramp Raises at $40BN · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Jun 1, 2026 neutral
Disclosure
Mercor spends more on AI agent tokens than employee headcount
“Right now, we're spending more on tokens for our internal agents than we are on employee headcount.”
Brendan Foody Jun 1, 2026 ▶ 43:06 Mercor CEO: Why Application Layer Companies Have No Moat & The Cost of Hiring AI Researchers · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Jun 4, 2026
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Calacanis: Most AI coding tokens are spent on QA rather than production
“The vast majority of tokens that are used in coding are in QA anyway. It's not in production.”
Jason Lemkin Jun 4, 2026 ▶ 36:26 Anthropic Files to Go Public | Cognition Raises $1BN at $26BN Valuation | The 996 Work Ethic · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Jun 8, 2026 positive
Assertion Supported
Chernin: Model optimizations lower token costs by an order of magnitude
“We see all these optimizations that happening that changes the price of the tokens in order of magnitude.”
Roman Chernin Jun 8, 2026 ▶ 26:44 Nebius Co-Founder on AI Infrastructure Bubbles | How Price Elastic is Demand for Compute · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Jun 22, 2026 neutral
Disclosure
Arora: Palo Alto Networks tracks and caps employee token usage
“We have a used judiciously model for tokens. It's not a free-for-all. Free-for-all sounds like you can go token max the hell out of it. We have to use it judiciously, and we keep track of it to see what people are doing. And if we find somebody who's using it …”
Nikesh Arora Jun 22, 2026 ▶ 18:40 Nikesh Arora on the Frontier Model Problem: Breadth vs Depth | The Future of Token Costs · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Jul 16, 2026 bullish
Insight
Lemkin: Top developers can consume 10x more AI tokens than today
“You can consume any top tier developer can assume an order of magnitude more tokens than they are now. The ideas are limitless.”
Jason Lemkin Jul 16, 2026 ▶ 21:28 Zuckerberg Back on X Challenging Codex & Claude Code | SK Hynix’s $26BN IPO · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Aug 29, 2026 neutral
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Reyes: AI pricing should be evaluated per outcome, not input tokens
“When you're thinking about price, you should not be thinking about the inputs to the price. You should be thinking about the outputs. So I think about the price of the outcome.”
Eno Reyes Aug 29, 2026 ▶ 3:22 Should American Enterprises Work With Open-Source Chinese Models? | Only 10% of Neo-labs survive
Sep 5, 2026 negative
Disclosure
Weitzman: Speechify will fire employees who waste tokens unnecessarily
“We will let people go if they just go Bananas with something for no reason.”
Cliff Weitzman Sep 5, 2026 ▶ 42:36 How to Build Your Own Data Center & Why Every Startup Should Do It
Sep 7, 2026 negative
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Grèze: Measuring AI customer success by token consumption causes churn
“It's a dangerous way to think about it, because if you think about it as like, they use more tokens every month that's successful. What if they're using the tokens in a way where the ROI is less clear to them? Meaning they don't realize that they're using toke…”
Jean-Denis Greze Sep 7, 2026 ▶ 44:03 Town vs Instinct vs GrokBot | Why the AI Assistant Market Is Not a Bubble
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