Suno

“So the OpenAI challenge is on the output, right, the LLM. Suno, the challenge is on the input, and Suno's going back and saying, we're training on the open internet.”

“So I look at like my biggest mistakes this year have been Suno, And 11 labs, and both of them I didn't do because they were small checks, probably like one percent each, and that didn't fit the model, and that was my lack of mental plasticity.”

“We made a decision to start charging from day one, which is like a little bit against the traditional wisdom of Silicon Valley of just like give the product away for free, scale, scale, scale.”

“It's the biggest thing by far. Yeah. It's a few times payroll.”

“If you, like, you know, hold my feet to the fire, maybe I can give you a quantitative number of, I care about growth twice as much as I care about revenues.”

“It's increasingly taste is the only thing that matters in, in, in art, and skill is going to matter a lot less because you're going to be able to make a lot of stuff And the people who are going to be recognized are people who are able to pick from the vast qu…”

“The UI should just in no way resemble what it does today. But I think good UI is just like, what did you enable that is like completely not doable in the old pattern?”

“The thing that people don't realize is that right now we've made something where people enjoy making music so much they are paying to create the music. This has nothing to do with listening.”

“You know, I like to think we're not making music, we're making musicians.”

“We never, you know, we built the company in person, and we make exceptions for people to be remote.”

“I don't, I tweeted this yesterday actually because of this, sorry but I don't think in the future we will pay more for access to newer models. I think that is just a stage of the development cycle that we're in. In five years time we won't pay more for a bette…”

“The most salient one is actually just like, did you hit the paywall your first day? Because even if you didn't go through it for whatever reason, if you hit the paywall, you just enjoyed the last 10 or 12 minutes of your life, and I know I did something good t…”

“At the end of the day people will use Suno because it's a better product, not because there's a bigger, better, bigger model under the hood.”

“The vast, vast majority of artists that I speak to Behind closed doors admit that they use and love Suno.”

“I think if you accomplish all those things and if you make music interactive and you make music engaging people will pay for it like they pay for video games.”

“Well, if it took a really complicated prompt and 1600 iterations, that's a failure of my product, not a failure of the candidate.”

“Let's be honest, I will pay you less than OpenAI will pay you, and I need to find a reason to convince you to come join us.”

“Our competitive edge here has not been to innovate on the architecture, and has been to innovate on the, Audio representation.”

“And so I don't see us getting to one second anytime soon, but I think the crossover that you're talking about, we're still kind of far away from.”

“I think it reduces the average value of any given piece of content, but I think it greatly increases the value of music to society or to any given person.”

“If this lawsuit goes to trial and we lose, it's obviously not good for us. The company, the company's not dead, but it's obviously not good for us. I don't think that's likely.”

“We were at the top of what people put, the gen AI products that people put on their ramp credit cards, which means that like lots of, and so we were surprised people are using this for Cold outreach for sales, for marketing, for all kinds of stuff.”

“The machine learning team at Suno will almost certainly not scale as quickly as the software team, or said differently, I think research is not something that you can solve with scale. You can just throw more bodies and you'll get, you know, comparatively more…”

“I hope that, you know, in, in six months from now, or 12 months from now, we're not using the word prompt. There are just far more intuitive ways to interact with the music, and we shouldn't be guiding you we should be listening to you if that makes sense.”

“Yeah, we know that there are some copyrighted works in our training data. That's not illegal. It's stock standard for the industry. It's what every AI company does.”

“And so we released this app, we released this web app, which is not even the full functionality of the Discord bot in November, and it takes five days for 90% of the traffic to move over to the web. Five days.”

“Like, that is not something, that is so much more social than what exists now, where you listen to music from artists, and you love the music, and you see a piece of yourself in the artist, but you don't actually interact with them.”

“Even, even without the revenues, which are fantastic to have, and they offset, you know, they offset a lot of GPU burn knowing what gets people to subscribe is such valuable data that I don't know, like, how we would do this without it.”

“If you are interested in a different AI problem, in the problem of how do I align Models, not to objective truth, but to human taste. I think there's nowhere else to do it.”

“I think the bigger players Are hitting data walls and are more actively working on it, and like everything else, it's really nice to have the big players solve a lot of the really thorny problems for you, and you can kind of focus on your competitive advantage…”

“No, we don't pay him in cash. He's, yeah, he's an advisor to the company.”

“You've noticed in our product, you can't make Ariana Grande songs. If you put her name in, we're going to wave our finger at you, and you're going to say, like, that's not what the future of music is. That's not original music. Suno is for original music. It's…”

“Our backgrounds are all NLP, and we thought it would actually be a lot harder to do good generative stuff, and so we thought the first product would be more sense-making. You know, try to scratch your head and think back to, like, GPT-II. No one was really mak…”

“That just shows you that there is a lot of friction, and if there were two worlds of music, I think that would A, be friction for the average consumer, but I actually hope it's much more than just consumption. I hope that, like, there shouldn't be, like, a set…”

“The vast majority of Gen AI video companies have asked us for an API so that they can have, you know, Suno music behind their AI videos, and the answer's always no.”

“And by the way, there are plenty of incumbents in the industry who do work with us.”

“They just said they have, they only retained 20% of their customers in a year”

“Suno the AI music creator company raised four hundred million and a 5.4 billion. Teasing first license model. Bond led that one. It was double the previous valuation just six months ago.”

“You know, the rate at which that valuation doubled and you know, the twenty billion dollar outcome for it, I'm not smart enough to see it yet. So it feels a little bit to me like risk on, right?”

“So we believe that Suno has, you know, I'm using this term loosely, but unlimited upside potential. You know, if you look back at the history of media on the internet, and you think about the generational platforms that truly democratized a medium, right? YouT…”

“Yeah, when Nat would send me a deal, which he did on multiple occasions, and I, and by the way, that's actually how I met Mikey from Suno You know, I always knew to pay attention. You know, if Nat's sending me a deal I gotta pay attention to that.”

“What is happening now in Suno is what Mikey and the team have been saying for a while and what I now believe it's that it's literally a new behavior. The team calls it creative entertainment. People are coming into Suno. They're making music for the pure joy a…”

“I turned down sooner when David Frankl at Founder Collective introduced me at The Seed. You know what the lesson was there? Really interesting. I hope Mikey's okay with me saying this. I'm sure he is. It was a 250 K check or a 200 K check. And so the ownership…”

“Like we're so proud to be in both, but sooner, you know, sooner has been a very quick journey. So if you look at like how lower, how much lower the dilution is, part of it is just how quick the momentum of that has been versus a whoop, which is hardware took a…”