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McGrew: LLMs have entered a pure scaling regime toward AGI

Bob McGrew · Bob McGrew: AI Agents And The Path To AGI · Y Combinator · Jan 31, 2025 · at 13:20

Former OpenAI Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew argues that test-time reasoning compute unlocks scaling past the pre-training data wall.

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“And now that that has been cracked at this point, I think we actually have a very clear path to just focus on scaling. You know, we were, you know, talking about that you know, the zero to one part, that's not about scaling. I think there's a really strong case to be made that in LLMs that's not relevant anymore. And that now we're in the pure scaling regime.”

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