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Eck: Long-form ML models will let composers delegate macro structure

Doug Eck · Making Music and Art Through Machine Learning - Doug Eck of Magenta · Y Combinator · Jul 21, 2017 · at 41:00

Doug Eck, lead research scientist for Google's Project Magenta, explains how long-range structure in generative AI can redefine artistic workflows.

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“If we get to models that can handle longer structure and nested structure, we'll have a lot more ways in which we can decide what we want to work on versus what we have the machine help us with, right?”

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