François Chollet, creator of Keras and founder of NDEA, explains why symbolic learning is theoretically necessary to minimize model description length.
“You know, the minimum description length principle that the model of the data that is most likely to generalize Is the shortest. And I think you cannot find a model like this. If you're doing parametric learning, you need to try symbolic learning.”
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