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Musk: He will do less politics because getting involved ends badly
“You know, I've generally found that when I get involved in politics, it ends up badly. So that I'm like, you know probably shouldn't do that. I should do less of that is my conclusion.”
Elon Musk Nov 30, 2025 ▶ 1:42:41 Elon Musk: A Different Conversation w/ Nikhil Kamath | Full Episode | People by WTF Ep. 16 · Nikhil Kamath
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Adcock: I Won't Let Figure Robots Roam Unsupervised Around My Kids
“I've had a robot in my house now for like a few months. And You know, my kids have been there, but we, like, we monitor the robot. So we're not, like, we're not, like, we're, like, we have somebody with the robot. Like, we're not letting the kids go up and hug…”
Brett Adcock Nov 5, 2025 ▶ 42:15 Humanoids Cost as Much as an SUV Now | Nikhil Kamath x Brett Adcock | WTF Online Ep 2 · Nikhil Kamath
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Kamath: WTF podcast takes zero sponsorships and collects guest money for charity
“See our podcast is very like, Non-monetary nature. We don't have advertising or sponsorship or any of that. In fact, I take money from people who are guests and we do a charity project at the end of it. So it's the opposite of a capitalistic venture.”
Nikhil Kamath Sep 20, 2025 ▶ 13:52 Tira, Bombay Shaving Co., Inde Wild | WTF is Fueling India’s Beauty & Skincare Revolution? | Ep. 25 · Nikhil Kamath
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Sharma: Refuses to Allocate Capital to US Private Markets Today
“I'd say, ah, I would not put any money in private markets in the U.S. Today.”
Ruchir Sharma Sep 3, 2025 ▶ 2:49:28 India vs. China vs. US: Who Wins the Next Decade? | WTF is Finance | Ep 1 ft. Ruchir Sharma · Nikhil Kamath
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Sharma: Most Personal Portfolio Capital Is in International and Emerging Markets
“I'm saying that as a small portion to what I think, but otherwise most of my capital is international today. My own portfolio. It's mainly emerging markets. And even Europe.”
Ruchir Sharma Sep 3, 2025 ▶ 2:49:51 India vs. China vs. US: Who Wins the Next Decade? | WTF is Finance | Ep 1 ft. Ruchir Sharma · Nikhil Kamath
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Bonatsos: US-based venture investors should avoid investing in China
“In today's universe, I would avoid, you know, like doing anything in China as somebody who is U.S. Based. That's not a controversial statement.”
Niko Bonatsos Aug 29, 2025 ▶ 23:04 Inside Silicon Valley’s VC Playbook | WTF is Venture Capital? - 2025 Edition | Ep. 24 · Nikhil Kamath
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Khosrowshahi: Uber sold India Eats business because it couldn't win
“We didn't think we could win in India, and we wanted to really focus on mobility.”
Dara Khosrowshahi Aug 24, 2025 ▶ 40:08 From Iran to Uber CEO | Nikhil Kamath x Dara Khosrowshahi | People by WTF | Ep. 14 · Nikhil Kamath
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Altman: GPT-5 will integrate all reasoning models into a single interface
“It's an integrated model, so you don't have to, like, pick in our model switcher and know if you should use GPT-IV or O-III or O-IV or any of the complicated things. It's just one thing that, that works”
Sam Altman Aug 14, 2025 ▶ 1:53 Sam Altman x Nikhil Kamath: How to Win When AI Changes Everything | People by WTF | Episode 13 · Nikhil Kamath
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Altman: OpenAI will test multiple hardware products for embodied AI companions
“So we'll try multiple products but I think this idea of trying to build hardware that an AI companion can sort of embody itself in will be an important thread.”
Sam Altman Aug 14, 2025 ▶ 42:40 Sam Altman x Nikhil Kamath: How to Win When AI Changes Everything | People by WTF | Episode 13 · Nikhil Kamath
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Sarandos: Netflix will never be fully ad-supported and will keep ad-free tier
“I don't think there's ever a world where we do all, all ads. It's, we're a choice brand. So so the folks who really don't want ads, there's always going to be an option for them to do that.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:13:51 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
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Pei: Nothing manufactured its first earbuds with a blacklisted Chinese factory
“We went to the worst factory. Like the factory, if they didn't take us on as a client, they would go out of business immediately. In China, because they were on the blacklist of a lot of other people for quality issues.”
Carl Pei Apr 26, 2025 ▶ 1:31:43 Ep #23 | WTF are Consumer Electronics? | Nikhil ft. Carl Pei, Rahul Sharma & Amit Khatri · Nikhil Kamath
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Srinivas: Perplexity routes every user query through four to five AI models
“Every query goes to a bunch of models but then they're doing different tasks, like one model rewrites your query into a more, like, easily understandable format for the AIs. Another model, like, does the chunking of the pages into, like, parts that gets consum…”
Aravind Srinivas Mar 23, 2025 ▶ 1:13:00 Nikhil Kamath ft. Perplexity CEO, Aravind Srinivas | WTF Online Ep 1. · Nikhil Kamath
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Srinivas: Perplexity built custom Nvidia runtimes and uses Cerebras chips
“A lot of the open source models that we serve ourselves with some fine tuning, ah, we, we've tried to serve it with extreme efficiency, like we wrote our own runtimes for NVIDIA chips, and we used other chips like Cerebras, and that helps us to, like, make the…”
Aravind Srinivas Mar 23, 2025 ▶ 1:14:56 Nikhil Kamath ft. Perplexity CEO, Aravind Srinivas | WTF Online Ep 1. · Nikhil Kamath
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Kamath passed on quick commerce because current valuations are too expensive
“At the end of the day, as an investor, I look at companies as a multiple of the EBITDA or net cash that they're throwing out. In today's equation, I find them expensive. Hence, I have not invested.”
Nikhil Kamath Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 3:21:36 Ep #22 | WTF are Craft Beverages? Nikhil ft. the Founders of Blue Tokai, Subko, Svami, and Mossant · Nikhil Kamath
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Kamath: I completely stopped buying public equities last two months
“I'm not even buying public equity anymore. I'm not even buying stocks. I've just stopped. Yeah. Last one, two months, I've just.”
Nikhil Kamath Aug 23, 2024 ▶ 1:54:42 Ep. #19 | WTF is “Making it” in an Offbeat Career? Nikhil Kamath Ft. Kriti Sanon, Badshah & KL Rahul · Nikhil Kamath
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BluSmart's charging infrastructure is profitable due to its in-house anchor fleet
“Yeah, so the charging infra is today profitable, because we had the in-house anchor tenant, so that was profitable.”
Puneet Goyal Dec 10, 2023 ▶ 25:23 Ep# 14 | WTF is Happening with EV? Nikhil ft. Founders of Reva, Ather, Blusmart, and Ossus · Nikhil Kamath
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BluSmart electric cabs need ₹3,200 in daily revenue to break even
“A car should make about, to be self-sufficient, to break even on all, should make about 3200 rupees per day to cover all my costs. The car has to earn me 3200 rupees a day. It includes driver cost, lease of the car that I'm paying on daily basis.”
Puneet Goyal Dec 10, 2023 ▶ 2:50:21 Ep# 14 | WTF is Happening with EV? Nikhil ft. Founders of Reva, Ather, Blusmart, and Ossus · Nikhil Kamath
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Ather's battery subscription failed because Indian consumers prefer vehicle ownership
“We attempted a variant of it. So I do believe in it, and I still do, and I'm hoping that we learn how to crack it. But back in twenty-twenty ... We said you could take a battery on subscription. ... Enormous, massive community pullback, like pushback, like, be…”
Tarun Mehta Dec 10, 2023 ▶ 2:53:59 Ep# 14 | WTF is Happening with EV? Nikhil ft. Founders of Reva, Ather, Blusmart, and Ossus · Nikhil Kamath
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Yassin: Nas Daily companies generate $900K to $1M in monthly revenue
“So all in all in all, I think this month, so I have two companies. The combined revenue of that is roughly now 900,000 dollars to a million dollars a month.”
Nuseir Yassin Nov 20, 2023 ▶ 2:29:29 Ep# 13 | WTF does it take to Build Influence Today? Nikhil w/ Nuseir, Tanmay, Prajakta & Ranveer · Nikhil Kamath
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Yassin: 80% of my revenue comes from 400,000 email subscribers
“80% of my revenue now comes from these 400,000 emails.”
Nuseir Yassin Nov 20, 2023 ▶ 2:50:18 Ep# 13 | WTF does it take to Build Influence Today? Nikhil w/ Nuseir, Tanmay, Prajakta & Ranveer · Nikhil Kamath
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Kalra: Cloud Kitchen Brands Never Share Infrastructure With Existing Dine-In Restaurants
“So we don't use any of our existing infrastructure at all. Not even one restaurant. Not even a single restaurant.”
Zorawar Kalra Oct 28, 2023 ▶ 1:12:34 Ep# 12 | WTF is The Restaurant Game? Nikhil w/ Pooja Dhingra, Zorawar Kalra & Riyaaz Amlani · Nikhil Kamath
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Amlani: Indian Restaurateurs Are Building Delivery Infrastructure Through ONDC
“We are developing and working very closely with ONDC. Now we are going to build channels. We are going to start building competencies”
Riyaaz Amlani Oct 28, 2023 ▶ 2:08:23 Ep# 12 | WTF is The Restaurant Game? Nikhil w/ Pooja Dhingra, Zorawar Kalra & Riyaaz Amlani · Nikhil Kamath
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Amlani: Impresario Uses In-Restaurant Video Cameras for Table Heat Mapping
“We use our cameras to do table heat mapping. We've, so so for example, we like to see which are the tables that people like to sit at, which are the tables that get filled first. Our camera technologies are helping us do that.”
Riyaaz Amlani Oct 28, 2023 ▶ 2:47:28 Ep# 12 | WTF is The Restaurant Game? Nikhil w/ Pooja Dhingra, Zorawar Kalra & Riyaaz Amlani · Nikhil Kamath
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Kamath: Planning a non-traditional tech academy without formal degree requirements
“We're planning this center where there's no educational requirement. We'll have our own process to get people in. We will train them with people who voluntarily give time, like all of us and many other friends of mine. We will house them. We will kind of like …”
Nikhil Kamath Sep 20, 2023 ▶ 1:38:42 Ep #10 | WTF is the Next Gen Thinking? Nikhil w/ Navya, Tara, Aadit & Kaivalya · Nikhil Kamath
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Mazumdar-Shaw: Biocon ties executive goals to reaching 30% women on shop floors
“When I look at my shop floor, there are only about 10% women on the shop floor. I'm now deliberately trying to force That ratio to increase to at least 30%. And I think it's beginning to happen. And that's because I've put it as a KRA for my leadership team sa…”
Kiran Mazumdar-Shaw Jul 23, 2023 ▶ 1:35:29 Ep #7 | Who is Kiran Mazumdar Shaw Really? And WTF is Biotech? · Nikhil Kamath
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Biyani: Big Bazaar was inspired by Saravana Stores in Chennai
“So Big Buddha was, in fact, conceptualized from inspiration or Savarna more than anything else.”
Kishore Biyani May 7, 2023 ▶ 19:38 Ep #3| WTF is E-commerce: Kishore Biyani, Udaan & Meesho Founders Reveal What Sells and What Doesn’t · Nikhil Kamath
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Biyani: Future Group failed by growing on debt without a strong balance sheet
“So what went wrong is basically growing on debt and not building a strong balance sheet.”
Kishore Biyani May 7, 2023 ▶ 1:35:51 Ep #3| WTF is E-commerce: Kishore Biyani, Udaan & Meesho Founders Reveal What Sells and What Doesn’t · Nikhil Kamath
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Bedi: Short-video app Josh spends 20-30% of budget on tech infrastructure
“On Josh itself, if I'm spending a hundred bucks, I would say about 20 to 30 bucks. Hosting, transcoding, storage, compute. And AI the AI data pipeline.”
Umang Bedi Apr 20, 2023 ▶ 1:59:08 Ep. #2: Secrets of Social Media Success, Mental Health & Distribution Hacks - 3 OGs Reveal All · Nikhil Kamath
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Chhatwal: IHCL has not done special campaigns with Booking.com
“We have not done any special campaign with booking.”
Puneet Chhatwal Sep 9, 2026 ▶ 14:54 Why A 25-Year-Old Should Build A Hotel, Not An App | MakeMyTrip x Taj | WTF is Travel?
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MakeMyTrip uses frontier LLMs grounded on proprietary user data
“So early days, because these frontier models were very, very strong. So you end up using multiple frontier models, right?... Like Gemini, the Claude, the Cursor, the GPT. But the grounding of that. Will happen with our proprietary data. That data doesn't go an…”
Rajesh Magow Sep 9, 2026 ▶ 44:05 Why A 25-Year-Old Should Build A Hotel, Not An App | MakeMyTrip x Taj | WTF is Travel?
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Chhatwal: Taj Hotels cleans all Goa beaches where it operates
“So all the beaches you see in Goa, where, where there is a Taj, they're cleaned by us.”
Puneet Chhatwal Sep 9, 2026 ▶ 1:20:21 Why A 25-Year-Old Should Build A Hotel, Not An App | MakeMyTrip x Taj | WTF is Travel?
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Armstrong: Coinbase is developing an on-chain payment protocol
“Right now we're making, An on-chain payment protocol.”
Brian Armstrong Jul 16, 2026 ▶ 57:10 Brian Armstrong: Bitcoin, Banks & The New Rules Of Money | Nikhil Kamath | People by WTF · Nikhil Kamath
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Armstrong: Coinbase aims to become users' primary financial account
“We also want to become the primary financial account for people over time. So they're doing direct deposit and they have Coinbase card and they can get a loan.”
Brian Armstrong Jul 16, 2026 ▶ 1:23:22 Brian Armstrong: Bitcoin, Banks & The New Rules Of Money | Nikhil Kamath | People by WTF · Nikhil Kamath
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Kamath: I have never bought or traded a Bitcoin in my life
“See, I have never traded a Bitcoin ever in my life, never bought one.”
Nikhil Kamath Jul 16, 2026 ▶ 2:08:54 Brian Armstrong: Bitcoin, Banks & The New Rules Of Money | Nikhil Kamath | People by WTF · Nikhil Kamath
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Kamath: The Foundery committed 4 crore rupees each to 20 companies
“The initial commitment was four, four, five crores each, four crores each to all 20 of those companies and 90 days to live in a house here in Alibaag along with people who kind of know everything about consumer businesses.”
Nikhil Kamath Jun 25, 2026 ▶ 30:20 Abundance vs Scarcity: We Built 20 Brands With 30 Strangers In 90 Days | The Foundery · Nikhil Kamath
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Kamath: Wealth and fame act like drugs requiring bigger highs
“All of the things that you mentioned are like drugs. The more you consume of a drug, the more drugs you need to get high. So I'm on that path.”
Nikhil Kamath Jun 25, 2026 ▶ 1:10:48 Abundance vs Scarcity: We Built 20 Brands With 30 Strangers In 90 Days | The Foundery · Nikhil Kamath
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Kamath: I chase impressing people who are not trying to impress me
“I'm in a chase to impress all the people who are not trying to impress me.”
Nikhil Kamath Jun 25, 2026 ▶ 1:11:38 Abundance vs Scarcity: We Built 20 Brands With 30 Strangers In 90 Days | The Foundery · Nikhil Kamath
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Juneja: Mankind Pharma intentionally priced products 60% below leading competitor brands
“Keeping everything in mind, we intentionally kept our prices, 50%, 60%, 40%, more affordable than best of the companies.”
Rajiv Juneja Jun 17, 2026 ▶ 40:06 Two Pharma Giants Who'd Never Met | Mankind & Dr. Reddy's | WTF is Pharma? · Nikhil Kamath
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Juneja: Mankind Pharma will not acquire Bold Care due to Manforce ownership
“Are you interested in buying Bold Care? No. We have our own man force. We've got many opportunities of buying them in different kind of brands, but man force is man force.”
Rajiv Juneja Jun 17, 2026 ▶ 50:05 Two Pharma Giants Who'd Never Met | Mankind & Dr. Reddy's | WTF is Pharma? · Nikhil Kamath
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Prasad: In-licensed Chinese molecule hit ₹100 crore in its launch year
“Not a very huge money. But you know, it's already a hundred crore brand in this year. Launch, year of launch. We could never achieve such results.”
G. V. Prasad Jun 17, 2026 ▶ 1:21:39 Two Pharma Giants Who'd Never Met | Mankind & Dr. Reddy's | WTF is Pharma? · Nikhil Kamath
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Escobari: General Atlantic Waits for Unit Economics Before Investing Heavily in AI
“For us today, given our scale experience and risk aperture, is to be intensive users of AI in the portfolio and in ourselves, and to wait until the unit economics and the leadership is a little more established before we pound.”
Martin Escobari May 28, 2026 ▶ 56:16 Martin Escobari: Trauma, Chaos & Three Industries Worth $100B | Nikhil Kamath | People by WTF · Nikhil Kamath
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Escobari: General Atlantic Backing Anthropic and Runway in AI
“Among the LLMs, we waited, and then we saw anthropic inflect. We're betting in a world model that does text-to-video call runway.”
Martin Escobari May 28, 2026 ▶ 57:14 Martin Escobari: Trauma, Chaos & Three Industries Worth $100B | Nikhil Kamath | People by WTF · Nikhil Kamath
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Escobari: General Atlantic Has 15% of Capital in AI
“Today about 10% of our, I think 15% of our capital is in AI.”
Martin Escobari May 28, 2026 ▶ 57:36 Martin Escobari: Trauma, Chaos & Three Industries Worth $100B | Nikhil Kamath | People by WTF · Nikhil Kamath
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Escobari: General Atlantic allocates capital through a single central pool
“Most of our peers have regional or sectoral funds that are rather independent. We allocate everything through a central pool. That's super valuable in a volatile world because you can change your mind and you're not fixed to your boxes. Part of making that wor…”
Martin Escobari May 28, 2026 ▶ 1:11:25 Martin Escobari: Trauma, Chaos & Three Industries Worth $100B | Nikhil Kamath | People by WTF · Nikhil Kamath
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Marks: Founding Oaktree at 49 Was His First Intentional Career Decision
“When I think about my early decades, not years, decades, and I think about you know, what I did from, let's say, I would say from the beginning of, let's say high school until starting Oak Tree in, in 95. So that 35 year period, which took me up to age let's s…”
Howard Marks May 4, 2026 ▶ 38:44 Howard Marks: AI, Debt vs Equity & The Next 40 Years Of Investing | Nikhil Kamath | People by WTF · Nikhil Kamath
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Banga: World Bank deploys $120B annually with 25K to 30K employees
“And today, when you step back and look at the totality, it's a 120 odd billion dollars that gets Put into the marketplace every year. There's about 25, 30,000 people working across the world on this”
Ajay Banga Apr 20, 2026 ▶ 16:17 The World Bank President On Why Jobs Fix Everything | Ajay Banga x Nikhil Kamath | People by WTF · Nikhil Kamath
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World Bank commits to connect 300M Africans to electricity by 2030
“And so we've committed to connect three hundred million people with the African Development Bank by 2030.”
Ajay Banga Apr 20, 2026 ▶ 27:43 The World Bank President On Why Jobs Fix Everything | Ajay Banga x Nikhil Kamath | People by WTF · Nikhil Kamath
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World Bank targets primary healthcare access for 1.5B people by 2030
“We're talking about getting 1.5 billion people access to better primary healthcare by 2030.”
Ajay Banga Apr 20, 2026 ▶ 28:19 The World Bank President On Why Jobs Fix Everything | Ajay Banga x Nikhil Kamath | People by WTF · Nikhil Kamath
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