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Jan 18, 2021 · 33m · we-live-to-build

The Roles You Played at Home Are Killing You at Work

Jason Todd · 20m spoken Sean Weisbrot · 8m spoken
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Serial entrepreneur Jason Todd joins host Sean Weisbrot on the 'We Live to Build' podcast to discuss how childhood behavioral conditioning shapes workplace conflict, sharing insights from his journey building multi-million dollar ventures and advising founders.

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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Sean holds 29.3% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Sean as informed peer 3.0 Guest teaching 2.2 Guest disagreement 1.2 Sean pushing back 1.2
05100:0010:0020:0030:002:25–10:37 · Sean as informed peer 3/10 Jason Todd and the 'Coffee with Humans' Experience The conversation is friendly and collaborative as both discuss how they met via Audrey and their early programming/IT backgrounds. Sean contrasts his own customer-facing strengths in his father's dental office with Jason's phone customer service misadventures.10:43–17:55 · Sean as informed peer 3/10 Launching Alpine Home Air and Embracing Constructive Conflict Jason recounts founding Alpine Home Air and learning to embrace heated disagreements rather than retreating. Sean brings up his psychology background to reinforce the importance of understanding interpersonal dynamics.17:55–26:21 · Sean as informed peer 4/10 Childhood Origins of Conflict Avoidance and Workplace Roles Jason explores his childhood tendency to hide from anger and cites the book 'Don\'t Take It to Work' regarding how family dynamics manifest in executive leadership. Sean shares how his healthy upbringing gave him high emotional intelligence in business.26:23–29:00 · Sean as informed peer 2/10 Transitioning from Company Operator to Business Advisor Sean probes why Jason decided to consult rather than build another company, prompting Jason to candidly admit to creator hubris and the mistake of making products before validating market demand.29:03–33:11 · Sean as informed peer 3/10 Practicing Self-Kindness and Finding Joy in the Journey Jason jokingly pushes back when asked what else should be discussed, then shares his core philosophy of self-compassion. Sean validates this by sharing how he asks job candidates whether they love themselves.2:25–10:37 · Guest teaching 1/10 Jason Todd and the 'Coffee with Humans' Experience The conversation is friendly and collaborative as both discuss how they met via Audrey and their early programming/IT backgrounds. Sean contrasts his own customer-facing strengths in his father's dental office with Jason's phone customer service misadventures.10:43–17:55 · Guest teaching 3/10 Launching Alpine Home Air and Embracing Constructive Conflict Jason recounts founding Alpine Home Air and learning to embrace heated disagreements rather than retreating. Sean brings up his psychology background to reinforce the importance of understanding interpersonal dynamics.17:55–26:21 · Guest teaching 4/10 Childhood Origins of Conflict Avoidance and Workplace Roles Jason explores his childhood tendency to hide from anger and cites the book 'Don\'t Take It to Work' regarding how family dynamics manifest in executive leadership. Sean shares how his healthy upbringing gave him high emotional intelligence in business.26:23–29:00 · Guest teaching 2/10 Transitioning from Company Operator to Business Advisor Sean probes why Jason decided to consult rather than build another company, prompting Jason to candidly admit to creator hubris and the mistake of making products before validating market demand.29:03–33:11 · Guest teaching 1/10 Practicing Self-Kindness and Finding Joy in the Journey Jason jokingly pushes back when asked what else should be discussed, then shares his core philosophy of self-compassion. Sean validates this by sharing how he asks job candidates whether they love themselves.2:25–10:37 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Jason Todd and the 'Coffee with Humans' Experience The conversation is friendly and collaborative as both discuss how they met via Audrey and their early programming/IT backgrounds. Sean contrasts his own customer-facing strengths in his father's dental office with Jason's phone customer service misadventures.10:43–17:55 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Launching Alpine Home Air and Embracing Constructive Conflict Jason recounts founding Alpine Home Air and learning to embrace heated disagreements rather than retreating. Sean brings up his psychology background to reinforce the importance of understanding interpersonal dynamics.17:55–26:21 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Childhood Origins of Conflict Avoidance and Workplace Roles Jason explores his childhood tendency to hide from anger and cites the book 'Don\'t Take It to Work' regarding how family dynamics manifest in executive leadership. Sean shares how his healthy upbringing gave him high emotional intelligence in business.26:23–29:00 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Transitioning from Company Operator to Business Advisor Sean probes why Jason decided to consult rather than build another company, prompting Jason to candidly admit to creator hubris and the mistake of making products before validating market demand.29:03–33:11 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Practicing Self-Kindness and Finding Joy in the Journey Jason jokingly pushes back when asked what else should be discussed, then shares his core philosophy of self-compassion. Sean validates this by sharing how he asks job candidates whether they love themselves.2:25–10:37 · Sean pushing back 1/10 Jason Todd and the 'Coffee with Humans' Experience The conversation is friendly and collaborative as both discuss how they met via Audrey and their early programming/IT backgrounds. Sean contrasts his own customer-facing strengths in his father's dental office with Jason's phone customer service misadventures.10:43–17:55 · Sean pushing back 1/10 Launching Alpine Home Air and Embracing Constructive Conflict Jason recounts founding Alpine Home Air and learning to embrace heated disagreements rather than retreating. Sean brings up his psychology background to reinforce the importance of understanding interpersonal dynamics.17:55–26:21 · Sean pushing back 1/10 Childhood Origins of Conflict Avoidance and Workplace Roles Jason explores his childhood tendency to hide from anger and cites the book 'Don\'t Take It to Work' regarding how family dynamics manifest in executive leadership. Sean shares how his healthy upbringing gave him high emotional intelligence in business.26:23–29:00 · Sean pushing back 2/10 Transitioning from Company Operator to Business Advisor Sean probes why Jason decided to consult rather than build another company, prompting Jason to candidly admit to creator hubris and the mistake of making products before validating market demand.29:03–33:11 · Sean pushing back 1/10 Practicing Self-Kindness and Finding Joy in the Journey Jason jokingly pushes back when asked what else should be discussed, then shares his core philosophy of self-compassion. Sean validates this by sharing how he asks job candidates whether they love themselves.

speaking balance: gold is Sean, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Sean 87.1% · guest 12.9%0:00 · Sean 87.1% · guest 12.9%3:00 · Sean 15.7% · guest 84.3%3:00 · Sean 15.7% · guest 84.3%6:00 · Sean 45.4% · guest 54.6%6:00 · Sean 45.4% · guest 54.6%9:00 · Sean 21.4% · guest 78.6%9:00 · Sean 21.4% · guest 78.6%12:00 · Sean 1.9% · guest 98.1%12:00 · Sean 1.9% · guest 98.1%15:00 · Sean 19.9% · guest 80.1%15:00 · Sean 19.9% · guest 80.1%18:00 · Sean 5.1% · guest 94.9%18:00 · Sean 5.1% · guest 94.9%21:00 · Sean 54% · guest 46%21:00 · Sean 54% · guest 46%24:00 · Sean 19.7% · guest 80.3%24:00 · Sean 19.7% · guest 80.3%27:00 · Sean 9% · guest 91%27:00 · Sean 9% · guest 91%30:00 · Sean 38.6% · guest 61.4%30:00 · Sean 38.6% · guest 61.4%33:00 · Sean 100% · guest 0%33:00 · Sean 100% · guest 0%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 29:04 Playful question deflection

When Sean asks what unasked question Jason wishes he would pose, Jason playfully shuts down the line of questioning with 'Nothing. Don\'t ask me more questions.'

 Hardest push from Sean ▶ 27:02 Challenging the advisory path

Sean pushes Jason on his career shift, pressing him on why he chose to advise others instead of building another venture of his own.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 24:27 Family dynamics in the workplace

Jason provides an in-depth conceptual breakdown of how unaddressed childhood family archetypes are unconsciously replicated in office hierarchies.

 Sean holds their own ▶ 31:59 Psychological hiring criteria

Sean asserts his own interviewing methodology and psychological assessment expertise by explaining how he screens candidates on self-love.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicSean as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementSean pushing backWhy
Jason Todd and the 'Coffee with Humans' Experience 3111 The conversation is friendly and collaborative as both discuss how they met via Audrey and their early programming/IT backgrounds. Sean contrasts his own customer-facing strengths in his father's dental office with Jason's phone customer service misadventures.
Launching Alpine Home Air and Embracing Constructive Conflict 3311 Jason recounts founding Alpine Home Air and learning to embrace heated disagreements rather than retreating. Sean brings up his psychology background to reinforce the importance of understanding interpersonal dynamics.
Childhood Origins of Conflict Avoidance and Workplace Roles 4411 Jason explores his childhood tendency to hide from anger and cites the book 'Don\'t Take It to Work' regarding how family dynamics manifest in executive leadership. Sean shares how his healthy upbringing gave him high emotional intelligence in business.
Transitioning from Company Operator to Business Advisor 2212 Sean probes why Jason decided to consult rather than build another company, prompting Jason to candidly admit to creator hubris and the mistake of making products before validating market demand.
Practicing Self-Kindness and Finding Joy in the Journey 3121 Jason jokingly pushes back when asked what else should be discussed, then shares his core philosophy of self-compassion. Sean validates this by sharing how he asks job candidates whether they love themselves.

Statements from this episode (5)

Insight
Todd: Business Partners Must Expect Heated Disagreement to Succeed
“I think one of the lessons was to figure out how to disagree and expect disagreement to come to the best solutions. I was on, I think I was unprepared for the amount of disagreement that, that would arise when you have a business partner and the idea that you …”
Jason Todd Jan 18, 2021 ▶ 13:50
Insight
Todd: Leaders Cannot Retreat From High-Emotion Workplace Conflict
“And as an adult, you can't retreat. Certainly not, you know, in your own company, you can't just retreat. Not really. You can try. And you're going to screw things up. So the answer is you just can't, you have to stay in it and you have to figure out how to fu…”
Jason Todd Jan 18, 2021 ▶ 19:52
Insight
Todd: Teams Do Not Need to Get Along to Do Great Work
“We don't necessarily have to get along to get something done. You know, I'd rather, I'd like everybody to be happy, but in the absence of being happy, let's, let's do great work.”
Jason Todd Jan 18, 2021 ▶ 26:15
Insight
Todd: Running an Organization and Recovering From Mistakes Requires Self-Kindness
“It's also really hard to run an organization if you don't love yourself, if you're not kind to yourself. It's really hard to make mistakes and come back from that if you're not kind to yourself. It's really hard to you know, stand out in front of people and be…”
Jason Todd Jan 18, 2021 ▶ 31:39
Disclosure
Weisbrot Asks Every Job Candidate If They Love Themselves
“One of the questions that I ask every single one of the people that I do an interview with when I go to hire them is, do you love yourself?”
Sean Weisbrot Jan 18, 2021 ▶ 32:22
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