Nov 11, 2021 · 35m · we-live-to-build
He Called It a State of Flow Multiplied by 100
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In this episode of the 'We Live to Build' podcast, host Sean Weisbrot and serial entrepreneur Mark Benecke explore how structured psychedelic microdosing can overcome burnout, elevate cognitive flow, and transform executive leadership and personal relationships.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Sean holds 41.3% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Sean as informed peer 3.0 Guest teaching 2.2 Guest disagreement 0.7 Sean pushing back 1.0
speaking balance: gold is Sean, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 29:43 Mark cautions against blanket psychedelic endorsements
Mark directly challenges Sean's sweeping assertion that everyone should trip at age 26, warning that psychedelics can be intensely terrifying if users are not mentally prepared.
Hardest push from Sean ▶ 31:30 Sean insists microdosing prevents bad tripsSean counters Mark's warning about horrifying bad trips by distinguishing between full doses and sub-perceptual microdoses designed to eliminate hallucinogenic risk.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 21:49 Mark breaks down stimulant and caffeine interactionsMark explains the practical pharmacological friction of combining stimulants like modafinil or caffeine with LSD, explaining the metallic taste and physical jitters it creates.
Sean holds their own ▶ 32:00 Sean breaks down stealth biotech psilocin extractionSean demonstrates deep industry research by detailing how stealth biotech startups isolate pure psilocin and analogize the sector's regulatory trajectory to CBD versus THC.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Sean as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Sean pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mark Benecke's Background and Entrepreneurial Origins | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Sean introduces his personal interest in psychedelic research and invites Mark to share his background. Mark gives a standard biographical overview of his family's shoe factory bankruptcy in El Salvador and taking over the family auto dealership. | |
| First LSD Experience and Exploration of Microdosing | 1 | 3 | 1 | 0 | Mark recounts his initial apprehension, dismantles the common misconception that LSD never leaves the human body, and describes discovering microdosing to overcome creative blocks in writing while Sean listens. | |
| Microdosing Benefits, the Flow State, and Mental Limits | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Mark shares detailed experiential observations about microdosing inducing an intense flow state, heightened empathy, and eventual depressive ideation after 14 months of continuous use. Sean acts purely as an inquisitive listener asking clarifying questions. | |
| Historical Perspectives and Healing Childhood Trauma | 5 | 1 | 1 | 1 | Sean dominates this segment with an extended monologue about his ex-girlfriend's psychological breakthrough on LSD and cites historical military PTSD research. Mark offers a brief sarcastic interjection about gateway drugs. | |
| Substance Interactions, Leadership Transformation, and Family Relationships | 3 | 3 | 0 | 1 | Sean asks specific questions about stacking stimulants and leadership dynamics. Mark educates Sean on how caffeine negatively interacts with LSD to create physical jitters and explains how heightened empathy helped him retain a struggling employee. | |
| Trip Vulnerabilities, Intentionality, and the Future of Psychedelic Biotech | 6 | 3 | 2 | 4 | When Sean proposes that everyone take psychedelics at 26, Mark cautions against blanket recommendations due to terrifying bad trips. Sean firmly clarifies that microdosing avoids hallucinogenic spirals and details biotech innovations extracting non-hallucinogenic psilocin. |
Statements from this episode (10)
Weisbrot: Small psychedelic doses can improve mental health and leadership
“I believe when respected, they can be great for managing stress, anxiety, depression, panic attacks, and possibly make us better human beings and better leaders at smaller doses.”
Benecke: Microdosing LSD Multiplies the Flow State a Hundred Times
“If anybody has ever experienced the state of flow, it is like the state of flow multiplied by a hundred times. Like you can sit there and focus on something and nothing could ever distract you away from it. You have tunnel vision in what you're doing.”
Benecke: Microdosing Focus Is Temporary, but Interpersonal Appreciation Is Long-Lasting
“The focus itself, it's great while you are actually micro dosing. It's not like a long lasting effect. The long lasting effects are more of the feelings of appreciation that you get For those around you and everything around you and the level of introspection …”
Benecke: Ended 14-month LSD microdosing experiment because the novelty wore off
“I ended up stopping the experiment altogether after a year and a couple of months because of that whole thing, like, it just, the novelty had worn off.”
Weisbrot: Early Vietnam War Military Research Found LSD Cured PTSD
“Even I believe during Vietnam, in the early days of Vietnam the military was doing research with PTSD and other trauma with LSD, and they found that it was basically curing soldiers' PTSD.”
Weisbrot: Psilocybin and LSD Are Fastest Ways to Heal Brain Trauma
“I feel like marijuana is great if you have pain, physical pain, but I don't see there being much brain benefit where I see the research, the science showing that if you want to heal your brain, psilocybin and LSD are two of the fastest and best ways to do it”
Benecke: Do not combine LSD microdoses with caffeine or Modafinil
“Don't do it with Modafinil and don't do it with any kind of stimulant, like any other kind of stimulant, like caffeine or anything. It alters the way that you experience it. It's a lot better with it just by itself.”
Weisbrot: Everyone should experience psychedelics at age 26 to prepare for marriage
“I've come to the conclusion that everyone should have a psychedelic experience around the age of 26 when their brain is fully developed to help just clear out all the garbage and prepare them for marriage. If they want to get married or prepare them for life, …”
Weisbrot: Psychedelic Biotech Will Engineer Non-Hallucinogenic Compounds for Mental Health
“I believe very firmly that the industry is heading in this direction where we will synthesize or alter the DNA structure of these substances so that you can get the mental health benefits, but have no fear whatsoever of there being a hallucinogenic aspect.”
Weisbrot: Pharma and Healthcare Industries Design Medications for Profit, Not Healing
“Pharmaceutical industry and the medical industry and the hospitals are all in it together to get you onto opioids, painkillers, antidepressants, anti-anxiety medications, anything like that is designed not to help you. It's designed to keep you giving them mon…”