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Feb 2, 2022 · 38m · we-live-to-build

Psilocybin Made a Purely Logical Man Say I Love You to His Brother

Sean Weisbrot · 19m spoken Sarah Raymond · 16m spoken
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In this episode of the 'We Live to Build' podcast, host Sean Weisbrot and wellness expert Sarah Raymond explore the vital integration of logic and emotion in leadership. Through personal vulnerability, subconscious psychology, and therapeutic modalities such as psilocybin, they offer actionable insights for overcoming entrepreneurial burnout, anxiety, and emotional suppression.

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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Sean holds 56.3% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Sean as informed peer 4.1 Guest teaching 3.8 Guest disagreement 0.8 Sean pushing back 1.4
05100:0010:0020:0030:003:12–5:15 · Sean as informed peer 3/10 Sarah Raymond's Journey to The Mindful Movement Sean introduces Sarah and prompts her to share how she transitioned from movement and studio ownership to meditation and hypnotherapy. The dynamic is completely cordial and open.5:16–7:25 · Sean as informed peer 4/10 Aligning Measurable Goals with Emotional Motivation Sean forcefully argues that goals must be strictly measurable metrics, dismissing non-measurable resolutions. Sarah reframes his premise by highlighting the underlying emotional driver necessary to sustain those goals.7:25–9:47 · Sean as informed peer 3/10 Overcoming Post-Goal Emptiness and Intrinsic Why Sean observes the feeling of post-goal emptiness in founders. Sarah educates him on intrinsic motivation and explains how relying purely on logical milestones leads to dissatisfaction.9:47–14:04 · Sean as informed peer 5/10 Celebrating Milestones and Defining Life Purpose Sean playfully analyses Sarah's motivation for building her YouTube audience, contrasting her lifelong calling with his goal of building a startup that does not need him.14:04–18:08 · Sean as informed peer 4/10 Subconscious Programming and Why Emotion Overrides Logic In response to Sean's question, Sarah explains how childhood emotional impressions formed before brain maturation around age 25 consistently override adult logic.18:09–23:07 · Sean as informed peer 3/10 Sean's Personal Vulnerability: Pandemic Stress and Anxiety Sean opens up about his panic attacks and feelings of weakness during the pandemic. Sarah reframes his vulnerability as bravery, though Sean defends his specific nuance of reduced resilience.23:07–25:38 · Sean as informed peer 5/10 Willpower Fatigue and Biological Conflicts with Logic Sean shares his struggle with post-fast carb cravings and willpower fatigue. When Sarah suggests trying a high-protein breakfast, Sean defends his nut-and-plant protein intake.25:38–31:27 · Sean as informed peer 6/10 Psilocybin Experiences and Emotional Breakthroughs Sean details his family's experiences with psilocybin, explaining how it unlocked emotional connection for his brother and cured his own chronic high blood pressure.31:28–34:56 · Sean as informed peer 4/10 Reframing Childhood Beliefs and Emotional Freedom Sarah discusses outgrowing limiting childhood beliefs, while Sean offers an illustrative anecdote from Survivor about a contestant reframing the trauma of his father's death.34:57–37:33 · Sean as informed peer 4/10 Somatic Awareness, Self-Compassion, and Nature Sarah emphasizes self-compassion and somatic awareness, while Sean brings up the exhaustion of constant empathy and proposes disconnecting in nature.3:12–5:15 · Guest teaching 2/10 Sarah Raymond's Journey to The Mindful Movement Sean introduces Sarah and prompts her to share how she transitioned from movement and studio ownership to meditation and hypnotherapy. The dynamic is completely cordial and open.5:16–7:25 · Guest teaching 5/10 Aligning Measurable Goals with Emotional Motivation Sean forcefully argues that goals must be strictly measurable metrics, dismissing non-measurable resolutions. Sarah reframes his premise by highlighting the underlying emotional driver necessary to sustain those goals.7:25–9:47 · Guest teaching 6/10 Overcoming Post-Goal Emptiness and Intrinsic Why Sean observes the feeling of post-goal emptiness in founders. Sarah educates him on intrinsic motivation and explains how relying purely on logical milestones leads to dissatisfaction.9:47–14:04 · Guest teaching 3/10 Celebrating Milestones and Defining Life Purpose Sean playfully analyses Sarah's motivation for building her YouTube audience, contrasting her lifelong calling with his goal of building a startup that does not need him.14:04–18:08 · Guest teaching 6/10 Subconscious Programming and Why Emotion Overrides Logic In response to Sean's question, Sarah explains how childhood emotional impressions formed before brain maturation around age 25 consistently override adult logic.18:09–23:07 · Guest teaching 5/10 Sean's Personal Vulnerability: Pandemic Stress and Anxiety Sean opens up about his panic attacks and feelings of weakness during the pandemic. Sarah reframes his vulnerability as bravery, though Sean defends his specific nuance of reduced resilience.23:07–25:38 · Guest teaching 2/10 Willpower Fatigue and Biological Conflicts with Logic Sean shares his struggle with post-fast carb cravings and willpower fatigue. When Sarah suggests trying a high-protein breakfast, Sean defends his nut-and-plant protein intake.25:38–31:27 · Guest teaching 2/10 Psilocybin Experiences and Emotional Breakthroughs Sean details his family's experiences with psilocybin, explaining how it unlocked emotional connection for his brother and cured his own chronic high blood pressure.31:28–34:56 · Guest teaching 4/10 Reframing Childhood Beliefs and Emotional Freedom Sarah discusses outgrowing limiting childhood beliefs, while Sean offers an illustrative anecdote from Survivor about a contestant reframing the trauma of his father's death.34:57–37:33 · Guest teaching 3/10 Somatic Awareness, Self-Compassion, and Nature Sarah emphasizes self-compassion and somatic awareness, while Sean brings up the exhaustion of constant empathy and proposes disconnecting in nature.3:12–5:15 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Sarah Raymond's Journey to The Mindful Movement Sean introduces Sarah and prompts her to share how she transitioned from movement and studio ownership to meditation and hypnotherapy. The dynamic is completely cordial and open.5:16–7:25 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Aligning Measurable Goals with Emotional Motivation Sean forcefully argues that goals must be strictly measurable metrics, dismissing non-measurable resolutions. Sarah reframes his premise by highlighting the underlying emotional driver necessary to sustain those goals.7:25–9:47 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Overcoming Post-Goal Emptiness and Intrinsic Why Sean observes the feeling of post-goal emptiness in founders. Sarah educates him on intrinsic motivation and explains how relying purely on logical milestones leads to dissatisfaction.9:47–14:04 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Celebrating Milestones and Defining Life Purpose Sean playfully analyses Sarah's motivation for building her YouTube audience, contrasting her lifelong calling with his goal of building a startup that does not need him.14:04–18:08 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Subconscious Programming and Why Emotion Overrides Logic In response to Sean's question, Sarah explains how childhood emotional impressions formed before brain maturation around age 25 consistently override adult logic.18:09–23:07 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Sean's Personal Vulnerability: Pandemic Stress and Anxiety Sean opens up about his panic attacks and feelings of weakness during the pandemic. Sarah reframes his vulnerability as bravery, though Sean defends his specific nuance of reduced resilience.23:07–25:38 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Willpower Fatigue and Biological Conflicts with Logic Sean shares his struggle with post-fast carb cravings and willpower fatigue. When Sarah suggests trying a high-protein breakfast, Sean defends his nut-and-plant protein intake.25:38–31:27 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Psilocybin Experiences and Emotional Breakthroughs Sean details his family's experiences with psilocybin, explaining how it unlocked emotional connection for his brother and cured his own chronic high blood pressure.31:28–34:56 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Reframing Childhood Beliefs and Emotional Freedom Sarah discusses outgrowing limiting childhood beliefs, while Sean offers an illustrative anecdote from Survivor about a contestant reframing the trauma of his father's death.34:57–37:33 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Somatic Awareness, Self-Compassion, and Nature Sarah emphasizes self-compassion and somatic awareness, while Sean brings up the exhaustion of constant empathy and proposes disconnecting in nature.3:12–5:15 · Sean pushing back 0/10 Sarah Raymond's Journey to The Mindful Movement Sean introduces Sarah and prompts her to share how she transitioned from movement and studio ownership to meditation and hypnotherapy. The dynamic is completely cordial and open.5:16–7:25 · Sean pushing back 3/10 Aligning Measurable Goals with Emotional Motivation Sean forcefully argues that goals must be strictly measurable metrics, dismissing non-measurable resolutions. Sarah reframes his premise by highlighting the underlying emotional driver necessary to sustain those goals.7:25–9:47 · Sean pushing back 1/10 Overcoming Post-Goal Emptiness and Intrinsic Why Sean observes the feeling of post-goal emptiness in founders. Sarah educates him on intrinsic motivation and explains how relying purely on logical milestones leads to dissatisfaction.9:47–14:04 · Sean pushing back 2/10 Celebrating Milestones and Defining Life Purpose Sean playfully analyses Sarah's motivation for building her YouTube audience, contrasting her lifelong calling with his goal of building a startup that does not need him.14:04–18:08 · Sean pushing back 1/10 Subconscious Programming and Why Emotion Overrides Logic In response to Sean's question, Sarah explains how childhood emotional impressions formed before brain maturation around age 25 consistently override adult logic.18:09–23:07 · Sean pushing back 3/10 Sean's Personal Vulnerability: Pandemic Stress and Anxiety Sean opens up about his panic attacks and feelings of weakness during the pandemic. Sarah reframes his vulnerability as bravery, though Sean defends his specific nuance of reduced resilience.23:07–25:38 · Sean pushing back 3/10 Willpower Fatigue and Biological Conflicts with Logic Sean shares his struggle with post-fast carb cravings and willpower fatigue. When Sarah suggests trying a high-protein breakfast, Sean defends his nut-and-plant protein intake.25:38–31:27 · Sean pushing back 0/10 Psilocybin Experiences and Emotional Breakthroughs Sean details his family's experiences with psilocybin, explaining how it unlocked emotional connection for his brother and cured his own chronic high blood pressure.31:28–34:56 · Sean pushing back 0/10 Reframing Childhood Beliefs and Emotional Freedom Sarah discusses outgrowing limiting childhood beliefs, while Sean offers an illustrative anecdote from Survivor about a contestant reframing the trauma of his father's death.34:57–37:33 · Sean pushing back 1/10 Somatic Awareness, Self-Compassion, and Nature Sarah emphasizes self-compassion and somatic awareness, while Sean brings up the exhaustion of constant empathy and proposes disconnecting in nature.

speaking balance: gold is Sean, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Sean 100% · guest 0%0:00 · Sean 100% · guest 0%3:00 · Sean 48.6% · guest 51.4%3:00 · Sean 48.6% · guest 51.4%6:00 · Sean 31.1% · guest 68.9%6:00 · Sean 31.1% · guest 68.9%9:00 · Sean 36.2% · guest 63.8%9:00 · Sean 36.2% · guest 63.8%12:00 · Sean 49.6% · guest 50.4%12:00 · Sean 49.6% · guest 50.4%15:00 · Sean 37.8% · guest 62.2%15:00 · Sean 37.8% · guest 62.2%18:00 · Sean 56.3% · guest 43.7%18:00 · Sean 56.3% · guest 43.7%21:00 · Sean 54.2% · guest 45.8%21:00 · Sean 54.2% · guest 45.8%24:00 · Sean 86.6% · guest 13.4%24:00 · Sean 86.6% · guest 13.4%27:00 · Sean 82.9% · guest 17.1%27:00 · Sean 82.9% · guest 17.1%30:00 · Sean 55.2% · guest 44.8%30:00 · Sean 55.2% · guest 44.8%33:00 · Sean 34.8% · guest 65.2%33:00 · Sean 34.8% · guest 65.2%36:00 · Sean 59.5% · guest 40.5%36:00 · Sean 59.5% · guest 40.5%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 21:42 Sarah challenges Sean's framing of personal weakness

Sarah directly interrupts Sean's self-critical narrative, rejecting his claim of becoming weak and urging him to choose different words.

 Hardest push from Sean ▶ 22:02 Sean insists on his own definition of mental fatigue

Sean refuses Sarah's softening reframe of his experience, clarifying that his confidence remains intact but his resilience against stress has genuinely degraded.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 14:09 Sarah breaks down subconscious development and emotion overriding logic

Sarah clearly explains developmental neuroscience, demonstrating why childhood subconscious beliefs established before age 25 systematically dominate adult rationality.

 Sean holds their own ▶ 28:26 Sean provides detailed medical and regulatory context on psilocybin

Sean showcases deep knowledge by detailing specific policy shifts across US states and explaining the physiological interaction between psilocybin and blood pressure.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicSean as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementSean pushing backWhy
Sarah Raymond's Journey to The Mindful Movement 3200 Sean introduces Sarah and prompts her to share how she transitioned from movement and studio ownership to meditation and hypnotherapy. The dynamic is completely cordial and open.
Aligning Measurable Goals with Emotional Motivation 4523 Sean forcefully argues that goals must be strictly measurable metrics, dismissing non-measurable resolutions. Sarah reframes his premise by highlighting the underlying emotional driver necessary to sustain those goals.
Overcoming Post-Goal Emptiness and Intrinsic Why 3621 Sean observes the feeling of post-goal emptiness in founders. Sarah educates him on intrinsic motivation and explains how relying purely on logical milestones leads to dissatisfaction.
Celebrating Milestones and Defining Life Purpose 5302 Sean playfully analyses Sarah's motivation for building her YouTube audience, contrasting her lifelong calling with his goal of building a startup that does not need him.
Subconscious Programming and Why Emotion Overrides Logic 4611 In response to Sean's question, Sarah explains how childhood emotional impressions formed before brain maturation around age 25 consistently override adult logic.
Sean's Personal Vulnerability: Pandemic Stress and Anxiety 3523 Sean opens up about his panic attacks and feelings of weakness during the pandemic. Sarah reframes his vulnerability as bravery, though Sean defends his specific nuance of reduced resilience.
Willpower Fatigue and Biological Conflicts with Logic 5213 Sean shares his struggle with post-fast carb cravings and willpower fatigue. When Sarah suggests trying a high-protein breakfast, Sean defends his nut-and-plant protein intake.
Psilocybin Experiences and Emotional Breakthroughs 6200 Sean details his family's experiences with psilocybin, explaining how it unlocked emotional connection for his brother and cured his own chronic high blood pressure.
Reframing Childhood Beliefs and Emotional Freedom 4400 Sarah discusses outgrowing limiting childhood beliefs, while Sean offers an illustrative anecdote from Survivor about a contestant reframing the trauma of his father's death.
Somatic Awareness, Self-Compassion, and Nature 4301 Sarah emphasizes self-compassion and somatic awareness, while Sean brings up the exhaustion of constant empathy and proposes disconnecting in nature.

Statements from this episode (9)

Insight
Weisbrot: Leaders Who Suppress Emotion Reach Only Half Their Potential
“And I have learned, and I strongly believe that if you do that, you're only being half the leader you could be.”
Sean Weisbrot Feb 2, 2022 ▶ 3:26
Assertion Supported
Raymond: The Mindful Movement crossed 600,000 YouTube subscribers
“We just crossed 600,000 subscribers.”
Sarah Raymond Feb 2, 2022 ▶ 11:16
Insight
Weisbrot: Investors measure success by whether a company can survive its founder
“I think a lot of investors as well want to see that a company can survive its founder. I think that's a measure of success for investors as well.”
Sean Weisbrot Feb 2, 2022 ▶ 13:22
Insight
Raymond: Childhood emotional beliefs consistently override adult logic
“Emotion will win over logic. What I mean by that is our subconscious beliefs were formed when we were very young, because the logical part of our mind was not fully developed until around 25. So we lived our life through the lens of our emotional mind, and so …”
Sarah Raymond Feb 2, 2022 ▶ 14:11
Opinion
Weisbrot: People often find comfort in depression over trying to be happy
“I've discovered as well that the people who I believe are depressed, even if they refuse to admit it to themselves, find that it's easier to live in the comfort of depression than to strive to do something that would make them happy, which would then bring the…”
Sean Weisbrot Feb 2, 2022 ▶ 16:55
Assertion Contradicted
Weisbrot: 80% of American adults take antidepressants
“Eight out of 10 adults in America are on some sort of antidepressant.”
Sean Weisbrot Feb 2, 2022 ▶ 21:11
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Weisbrot predicts US psilocybin access will be restricted to therapy sessions only
“I believe the difference between the two is that while marijuana has been legalized for recreational use, I believe psilocybin might be restricted to therapy-assisted sessions only.”
Sean Weisbrot Feb 2, 2022 ▶ 28:31
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Weisbrot: Taking psilocybin stabilized his chronic high blood pressure without medication
“And after I started taking the psilocybin within like a week or two, I got off of the high blood pressure pills. It's been several months now. My blood pressure is stabilized and I don't take the pills.”
Sean Weisbrot Feb 2, 2022 ▶ 28:59
Disclosure
Raymond: Watching a parent leave is among the most common hypnotherapy scenes
“One of the most common Scenes that people share with me during hypnotherapy sessions is a scene where, and it's different for everyone, but it's sort of the same scene is where one of their parents is leaving, like they're getting separated and the child is wa…”
Sarah Raymond Feb 2, 2022 ▶ 34:06
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