Aug 5, 2025 · 27m · we-live-to-build
More Millionaires Exist Than There Are Bitcoin to Own
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In this podcast episode, host Sean Weisbrot and Yield School founder Frank Hepworth discuss institutional portfolio allocation, custody solutions, and cycle-based investing strategies for high-net-worth individuals navigating cryptocurrency in 2025.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Sean holds 24.9% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Sean as informed peer 2.9 Guest teaching 4.6 Guest disagreement 1.4 Sean pushing back 0.6
speaking balance: gold is Sean, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 19:58 Calling market non-timers crazy
Frank forcefully rejects standard financial market orthodoxy about not timing markets, arguing crypto cycles are exceptionally predictable.
Hardest push from Sean ▶ 5:16 Challenging self-custody safety vs ETFsSean questions the necessity of spot custody by highlighting severe physical kidnapping risks and lost private keys.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 6:35 Debunking outdated lost key narrativesFrank breaks down how modern multi-party computation and custody protocols have rendered 15-year-old lost key and kidnapping scenarios obsolete.
Sean holds their own ▶ 16:18 Laying out daily charting and market maker analysisSean demonstrates deep familiarity with technical charting across gold, forex, and specific crypto tokens, analyzing short-term market manipulation.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Sean as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Sean pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| The Case for Portfolio Allocation and Overcoming Volatility Fears | 2 | 4 | 1 | 0 | Sean asks exploratory questions about why investors fear crypto and references Jamie Dimon's 2% allocation recommendation. Frank explains the scarcity math behind Bitcoin and why lacking exposure is a portfolio risk. | |
| Spot Custody vs. ETFs and Modern Security Solutions | 3 | 6 | 3 | 1 | Sean suggests ETFs provide upside without personal security risks like kidnapping or lost keys. Frank counters by detailing why ETF holders lack true ownership in systemic crises and explains modern multi-party computation custody solutions like Casa. | |
| Solving Crypto Estate Planning and Inheritance | 4 | 6 | 2 | 1 | Sean highlights his involvement in blockchain since 2015 and raises concerns about estate planning and dishonest lawyers. Frank explains that split-key custody and institutional estate protocols have already resolved this issue. | |
| Crypto Education, Investor Psychology, and Yield School's Consulting Model | 2 | 4 | 1 | 0 | Sean prompts Frank to describe how Yield School handles inexperienced high-net-worth clients seeking massive returns. Frank explains their consulting methodology, holding strategy, and on-chain capital management across cycles. | |
| Macro Market Cycles versus Intraday Technical Trading | 6 | 5 | 2 | 2 | Sean showcases his daily technical analysis routine across multiple assets and notes market maker psychology. Frank explains why day trading is sub-optimal for wealthy clients and makes the case for macro cycle and M2 tracking. | |
| Structuring an Asymmetric 10x Portfolio Strategy | 2 | 6 | 1 | 0 | Sean poses a practical hypothetical regarding targeting a 10x return on a one-million-dollar portfolio. Frank delivers a precise asymmetric allocation framework across blue chips, mid caps, and revenue-generating low caps. | |
| Career Reflections on Assumptions in Business and Investing | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Sean closes with a standard career reflection prompt. Frank shares insights on the risks of making assumptions about market dynamics, team members, and client capabilities. |
Statements from this episode (13)
Hepworth: Cryptocurrency is the best-performing asset class on the planet long-term
“It's so important because it's the best performing asset class on the planet. It's volatile in the short term, but long term, it performs better than anything else.”
Hepworth: Holding zero crypto in a portfolio is a risk-on position
“And you're actually risk on by not having any exposure in your portfolio.”
Hepworth: More millionaires exist on Earth than the 21M total Bitcoin supply
“There's only twenty one million. And so there's literally more millionaires on the planet than there are Bitcoin.”
Hepworth: Successful early-stage crypto assets will return up to 5,000%
“They're going to be volatile and maybe some of them are not going to work out, but the ones that do work out are going to give you a thousand percent, 2000%, 5000% return. And I get one, two, three or Time frame, which is crazy compared to the traditional mark…”
Hepworth: Self-custody Bitcoin unlocks DeFi products unavailable in ETFs
“You get access to way more financial products. If you hold the Bitcoin yourself, there's Bitcoin defy. You can make yield on it. You can loan it out. You can borrow against it. There's a whole bunch of things you can do with it that you cannot do. If it is jus…”
Hepworth: Custody solutions have solved private key loss and crypto kidnapping risks
“The market has solved the whole private key issue and the kidnapping issue.”
Hepworth: Crypto Estate Planning and Inheritance Issues Have Been Solved
“And so the market is actually already solved for these issues. If you were just to Google like crypto, like Estate solutions. There's so many companies that are solving for this now. So these were issues maybe five, 10 years ago, and people aren't aware to the…”
Hepworth: Keep crypto profits on-chain in yield products rather than cashing out
“We don't recommend moving it out of the crypto sphere. Like we say like you should keep your capital on chain unless you want to buy a house or a car or something. Keep that capital on chain and then move it into products that are going to pay you yield or giv…”
Hepworth: The next cryptocurrency bear market will likely begin in 2026
“While we go into the bear cycle, which will happen probably sometime in 20, 26.”
Hepworth: Crypto market cycles predictably track M2 money supply and halvings
“I don't think that's true for crypto. I think that these cycles are super predictable. I think that they follow the M two. I think that they follow the having cycle.”
Hepworth: Bitcoin will surpass $200,000 during the current market cycle
“Even though I think we're going to go up to 200 K plus the cycle, you could exit right now and you've still done a five X, but people don't do that.”