Outsourcing demand capture marketing to agencies failed twice for Cognism
James Isilay · How We Acquired our PLG Competitor to Break $30m in Revenue · Oct 8, 2022 · at 6:12
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Cognism CEO James Isilay reflects on paid search, SEO, and demand capture management lessons learned while scaling.
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“Our key lesson here was we tried to outsource this. I, you know, initially tried to outsource this. Before building a team and really didn't get much success, you know, using agencies. And recently, again, we tried to outsource this to try and get cost efficiencies and found that really that was a disaster. So really our key lesson here is really to build an in-house team and to really keep the talent and train the talent internally and to really pair that talent with great mentors from companies that are scaling above you.”
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