Sam Jacobs
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SaaS multiples still value growth at three times more than profit
“In today's environment, the actual multiple is five to six times, and that's provided that you have growth. So even though we're moving away from a growth at any cost world to a world where efficiency is prized, the reality is that growth is still worth three …”
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Everything Sam Jacobs said on Top Founders that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →
Sales teams should reduce headcount if reps average under 15 weekly meetings
“So if your reps don't have 15 meetings a week, then what that means is one of the ways that you can drive improved efficiency is by reducing the number of reps. I'm sorry to be callous like that, but the point is great companies are routing more resources, mea…”
High interest rates require SaaS payback periods of 12 to 18 months
“In a world of, ah, higher interest rates, that really we need to be solving backwards from 12 to 18 months.”
Call Recording Shifted From $7B Valuation to a Commodity Feature
“A lot of services that were premium services, the most prominent example of which would be call transcription and recording, that used to be a whole company worth seven billion dollars, Now that's a feature of most revenue platforms and a commodity feature at …”
Jacobs: Building proprietary software is unnecessary to create a big business
“And all of the people that said you need your own software in order to build a big business, those people I don't agree with actually.”
SaaS multiples still value growth at three times more than profit
“In today's environment, the actual multiple is five to six times, and that's provided that you have growth. So even though we're moving away from a growth at any cost world to a world where efficiency is prized, the reality is that growth is still worth three …”
Sam Jacobs: If you ask your board what your company is worth, it is worth little
“One of the other lessons, by the way, is if you're asking your board what the company is worth, it's probably not worth very much, and if you want to sell the company, it's probably not worth very much. Companies get, ah, bought, not sold.”
Sam Jacobs: Valuation Premium of Growth over Free Cash Flow Fell to 3-to-1
“It used to be growth at any cost, which means that growth really was worth almost, not infinitely more, but probably maybe 15 to 20 times what Free cash flow was worth today. We're in a world where growth is still more valuable than free cash flow, but only th…”
Sam Jacobs: Fixing onboarding drives SaaS retention more than changing pricing or features
“The biggest thing that you can do To drive up retention is not change your price and is not add a new feature. It is fix your onboarding process to drive time to value.”
Some public SaaS companies spend $5 to $6 per new ARR dollar
“There's certain public companies that are spending five and six dollars in sales and marketing investment to acquire one dollar of new ARR.”
Pavilion burned $8M of capital between February 2021 and 2023
“From 2021 in February, when we raised the round through Last year, we burned eight million dollars of capital which we'd never done before.”
Chili Piper doubled ACV and halved CAC over the past year
“Chili Piper's doubled their ACV cut their customer acquisition costs in half, and also dramatically increased revenue per employee, up to 200,000 dollars per employee, all over the course of the last year.”
Startups should calculate unit economics after 10 customers or $1M ARR
“Is it logical to calculate unit economics? The answer is no, not really at that point. But once you get past 10, 15 paying customers, you're approaching a million in recurring revenue, then it does become useful and important to calculate them.”
Poor SaaS retention is usually flawed onboarding, not pricing and packaging
“You're analyzing your business. You're looking for profitable, efficient growth paths, and you think that the issue is pricing and packaging. Most of the time, it is not pricing and packaging, right? So most of the time, the reason that you have the easiest th…”
Sam Jacobs: Elephant offered $25M investment in Pavilion at ~$105M valuation
“Roughly eighty million dollars. We're going to put in this amount of money post money valuation. We think it's going to be, we're going to put in twenty five million work. It's going to be worth roughly a hundred and five million dollars.”
Sam Jacobs: Zero Interest Rates Made Aggressive Capital Burn Economically Rational
“And what happens when you have zero percent interest rates, when you have free capital, is that the optionality of future cash flows, even in years 1020, 30, are equal to the value of cash flow today, which is why it made sense in the old world to burn capital…”
Sam Jacobs: Profitable Companies Are Controlled by Customers, Not Investors
“The benefits of being a profitable company is that your customers control the company, not your investors.”
Pavilion swung from 30% margins in 2021 to multi-year capital burn
“We had, I think, 30% operating margins. Now remember, a community business in twenty-twenty-one and twenty-twenty, not the same thing because we had no hard physical costs, right? We weren't doing this. Everything was on Zoom. Very high margin on Zoom. Low mar…”
Jacobs: SaaS renewals must follow structured qualification methodologies like pre-sale pipeline
“We need the same kind of methodology for renewals. When we're committing a deal for renewal, it can't just be, I think they're going to renew. It has to be against a specific methodology in exactly the same way we would expect the pipeline pre-sale”
Sam Jacobs: Early Salesforce retention was driven by emailed dashboards, not data migration
“And that the thing that led to retention most closely and the clearest time to value within Salesforce wasn't getting the data in. It was building a dashboard that, you know, those beautiful visualized dashboards that I first saw them through Salesforce. Sugar…”
Pavilion self-signup members churn at 3x the rate of assisted onboarding
“We have a self signup flow. Those people turn at three times the rate that people that have an interaction with a customer success manager or an enrollment manager, right?”
Elephant Ventures offered Pavilion a $25M venture funding round
“I didn't think when I started this business that it would be a venture-backed business, but it turned out three years ago that a company called Elephant Ventures got in touch with me, and they wanted to invest twenty-five million dollars.”
Public SaaS growth rates have halved since summer 2021
“So since the, ah, since the summer of twenty-twenty run, growth rate of public SaaS businesses have been cut in half.”
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| Episode | Date | On tape | What it is |
|---|---|---|---|
| Pavilion Breaks $10m Revenue using New Growth Playbook, CEO Sam Jacobs | Dec 17, 2024 | 22m | aired address |
| How Pavilion Hit $10m in Revenue While Balancing Investor and Customer Demands with CEO Sa | Aug 6, 2024 | 25m | aired address |