Jim McKelvey

Board Member, Block · 1 appearance on the record.

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In 2009, McKelvey co-founded Square alongside Jack Dorsey after missing out on a glass art sale because he could not accept credit cards, designing the original card reader. He is also the author of The Innovation Stack and founder of the non-profit LaunchCode.

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7 assertions · 3 opinions · 5 insights · 2 disclosures · 1 what if · every statement was checked. The predictions and assertions are the 7 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 4 are resolved, and 3 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

The record, in short

What the tape says about how Jim argues and how the claims held up. Everything they said, and everything said about them, is in the tabs below.

Their most notable supported claim

Assertion Supported
Amazon ruthlessly cloned Square's card reader and undercut its price
“Amazon came after us in a way that was terrifying. They copied our product, they undercut our price, and they added the Amazon brand name to that, along with some customer support that we at the time didn't have.”
Jim McKelvey Apr 5, 2021 ▶ 32:42 Billionaire Co-Founder of Square Joins Latka

Their most notable contradicted claim

Assertion Contradicted
McKelvey: Apple kicked VeriFone out of Apple Stores after Square attack
“He ended up upsetting Apple, and Apple kicked them out of the Apple store.”
Jim McKelvey Apr 5, 2021 ▶ 30:22 Billionaire Co-Founder of Square Joins Latka

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Everything Jim McKelvey said on Top Founders that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Opinion
Square intentionally sacrificed card reader reliability for attention-grabbing novelty
“We made a critical decision at the company to release a card reader that was actually too small to do the job it was supposed to do, but got your attention in a way that nothing on the market had ever done. And I believe that attention was super important. And…”
Jim McKelvey Apr 5, 2021 ▶ 19:53 Billionaire Co-Founder of Square Joins Latka
Insight
McKelvey: Put 99% of focus on feedback over protecting ideas
“So I put 99% of the emphasis on getting feedback and one percent on protecting ideas. I've literally never seen an idea stolen. Okay. I mean, I've seen ideas copied. I see it all the time. But I've never seen somebody outrun the entrepreneur. Most people who a…”
Jim McKelvey Apr 5, 2021 ▶ 27:05 Billionaire Co-Founder of Square Joins Latka
Assertion Contradicted
McKelvey: Apple kicked VeriFone out of Apple Stores after Square attack
“He ended up upsetting Apple, and Apple kicked them out of the Apple store.”
Jim McKelvey Apr 5, 2021 ▶ 30:22 Billionaire Co-Founder of Square Joins Latka
Opinion
Jack Dorsey's 2008 ousting from Twitter was 'unconscionably terrible'
“No. Absolutely not. What they did to him was unconscionably terrible, and I was very angry.”
Jim McKelvey Apr 5, 2021 ▶ 15:43 Billionaire Co-Founder of Square Joins Latka
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Jack Dorsey opposed Square's iconic hardware, preferring a camera scanner
“I said, we need to build a piece of hardware, and Jack thought I was crazy because he said, we don't want to build hardware. Hardware is a terrible business, and it'll slow us down, and we can just use the camera on the phone”
Jim McKelvey Apr 5, 2021 ▶ 17:23 Billionaire Co-Founder of Square Joins Latka
What-if
Early Square contractor rejected an equity offer now worth nearly $1B
“And what we offered him was a very generous offer. It would be close to a billion dollars today. You know, if he accepted our offer, he'd probably be a billionaire. And he didn't want it.”
Jim McKelvey Apr 5, 2021 ▶ 23:47 Billionaire Co-Founder of Square Joins Latka
Assertion Supported
Amazon ruthlessly cloned Square's card reader and undercut its price
“Amazon came after us in a way that was terrifying. They copied our product, they undercut our price, and they added the Amazon brand name to that, along with some customer support that we at the time didn't have.”
Jim McKelvey Apr 5, 2021 ▶ 32:42 Billionaire Co-Founder of Square Joins Latka
Insight
McKelvey: Copying established solutions is almost always the best problem-solving method
“If you have a problem, your best way of solving it is usually to find somebody else who solved the same problem and do what they did. That is almost always the best solution, and I don't care what it is”
Jim McKelvey Apr 5, 2021 ▶ 42:18 Billionaire Co-Founder of Square Joins Latka
Disclosure
McKelvey plans to donate his fortune rather than build generational wealth
“We've made an absurd amount of money, which we're planning to give away, because I don't think it serves me or my family to, you know, pass on generational wealth.”
Jim McKelvey Apr 5, 2021 ▶ 53:41 Billionaire Co-Founder of Square Joins Latka
Assertion Not checkable as stated
McKelvey: Square was inspired by losing a glass sale to an Amex card
“Jack Dorsey and I, who had been friends for years and worked together on another company that actually I still own he and I were going to start a new company. We didn't have an idea. I'm a glass blower, so I work in a grubby studio and I sell stuff that nobody…”
Jim McKelvey Apr 5, 2021 ▶ 2:36 Billionaire Co-Founder of Square Joins Latka
Opinion
McKelvey: Bypassing Apple's dock connector for the audio jack was right
“Our, you know, our first product was bypassing the dock connector, which was that, you know, multi-pinned thing at the bottom of the phone. And We went through the hardware jack, and I think that was still the right decision”
Jim McKelvey Apr 5, 2021 ▶ 31:03 Billionaire Co-Founder of Square Joins Latka
Assertion Supported
Amazon conceded to Square by mailing Square readers to Amazon customers
“What they did was they said, the best thing for our customers is to make them Square customers. So they mailed all their soon to be former customers, one of our Square readers, and said, look, if you like what Amazon is doing, you'll be happy with Square. So t…”
Jim McKelvey Apr 5, 2021 ▶ 34:49 Billionaire Co-Founder of Square Joins Latka
Insight
McKelvey: Applying copying strategies to unprecedented problems leads to failure
“If you're on one side of that line, a totally familiar set of behaviors, which is the behaviors of copying, are optimal and appropriate. But if you're on the other side of that line, those behaviors will get you in deep trouble.”
Jim McKelvey Apr 5, 2021 ▶ 44:00 Billionaire Co-Founder of Square Joins Latka
Insight
Jim McKelvey: Every market offers billion-dollar opportunity at the bottom
“It turns out in every market, I believe there's opportunity at the bottom. And if you want to, you know, you want a new business, billion dollar business idea here, I'll give a hundred away right now. Just look where the market ends.”
Jim McKelvey Apr 5, 2021 ▶ 48:07 Billionaire Co-Founder of Square Joins Latka
Disclosure
McKelvey raises VC money strictly for validation, not for capital
“I don't fundraise because I couldn't fund things myself, but I fundraise for the validation That comes with getting other people to believe in what you're doing.”
Jim McKelvey Apr 5, 2021 ▶ 54:29 Billionaire Co-Founder of Square Joins Latka
Insight
McKelvey: Nobody Is Ever Qualified to Do Something for the First Time
“You're not qualified, but nobody on the planet is ever qualified to do something the first time.”
Jim McKelvey Apr 5, 2021 ▶ 57:52 Billionaire Co-Founder of Square Joins Latka
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Jack Dorsey managed a tech team at just 16 years old
“So Jack actually was a manager by the time I guess he was 16 years old.”
Jim McKelvey Apr 5, 2021 ▶ 11:20 Billionaire Co-Founder of Square Joins Latka
Assertion Supported
McKelvey: Square pivoted to payments before first employee started
“We already had the team together and we'd actually already hired our first employee and he was starting in a week. And we pivoted the company before he even started.”
Jim McKelvey Apr 5, 2021 ▶ 16:40 Billionaire Co-Founder of Square Joins Latka

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Billionaire Co-Founder of Square Joins Latka Apr 5, 2021 42m
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