Oct 5, 2016 · 20m · top-founders

EP 438: Dancing His Way to $100k+ Business with Instagram Genius, Dancing Wizard Zach Benson

Zach Benson · 9m spoken Nathan Latka · 8m spoken
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In this episode of The Top, host Nathan Latka interviews dancer and entrepreneur Zach Benson to uncover how he built a six-figure global dance clinic business, barters social media content for luxury travel, and scales his digital growth agency Assistagram.co.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 47.6% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 3.7 Guest teaching 3.3 Guest disagreement 1.3 Nathan pushing back 3.7
05100:0010:0020:001:39–5:47 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Zach Benson on Monetizing Global Dance Clinics Latka pushes Benson to clarify the economics of his dance clinics, demanding concrete revenue numbers and questioning how dance studios profit if Benson takes 100% of the gross ticket fee.5:47–8:29 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Instagram Growth Mechanics and Assistagram Operations Latka calls out Benson's claim that all Instagram follow/unfollow actions are manual, forcing Benson to admit to using third-party tools like Crowdfire and Instagress while probing platform ban risks.8:32–11:02 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Networking and Converting Followers into Deals Latka interrupts Benson's soft networking story to demand specific monetization mechanics, asking him to act like an unempathetic capitalist and explain how conversations turn into revenue.11:03–13:23 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Trading Social Content for Luxury Hotel Stays Latka demands Benson unpack his vague advice about mutually beneficial deals. Benson educates Latka on offering photography and editorial blog rights to luxury hotels, explaining even micro-accounts can secure free stays.13:24–15:50 · Nathan as informed peer 3/10 Assistagram Business Model and Driving Traffic Latka gathers core business metrics for Assistagram, confirming client counts, monthly pricing tiers, and strategies for driving bio-link traffic.15:51–19:18 · Nathan as informed peer 1/10 Mid-Roll Sponsors: Toptal and HostGator Standard mid-roll sponsor reads for Toptal and HostGator followed by rapid-fire Famous Five questions and episode outro.1:39–5:47 · Guest teaching 3/10 Zach Benson on Monetizing Global Dance Clinics Latka pushes Benson to clarify the economics of his dance clinics, demanding concrete revenue numbers and questioning how dance studios profit if Benson takes 100% of the gross ticket fee.5:47–8:29 · Guest teaching 4/10 Instagram Growth Mechanics and Assistagram Operations Latka calls out Benson's claim that all Instagram follow/unfollow actions are manual, forcing Benson to admit to using third-party tools like Crowdfire and Instagress while probing platform ban risks.8:32–11:02 · Guest teaching 4/10 Networking and Converting Followers into Deals Latka interrupts Benson's soft networking story to demand specific monetization mechanics, asking him to act like an unempathetic capitalist and explain how conversations turn into revenue.11:03–13:23 · Guest teaching 5/10 Trading Social Content for Luxury Hotel Stays Latka demands Benson unpack his vague advice about mutually beneficial deals. Benson educates Latka on offering photography and editorial blog rights to luxury hotels, explaining even micro-accounts can secure free stays.13:24–15:50 · Guest teaching 3/10 Assistagram Business Model and Driving Traffic Latka gathers core business metrics for Assistagram, confirming client counts, monthly pricing tiers, and strategies for driving bio-link traffic.15:51–19:18 · Guest teaching 1/10 Mid-Roll Sponsors: Toptal and HostGator Standard mid-roll sponsor reads for Toptal and HostGator followed by rapid-fire Famous Five questions and episode outro.1:39–5:47 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Zach Benson on Monetizing Global Dance Clinics Latka pushes Benson to clarify the economics of his dance clinics, demanding concrete revenue numbers and questioning how dance studios profit if Benson takes 100% of the gross ticket fee.5:47–8:29 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Instagram Growth Mechanics and Assistagram Operations Latka calls out Benson's claim that all Instagram follow/unfollow actions are manual, forcing Benson to admit to using third-party tools like Crowdfire and Instagress while probing platform ban risks.8:32–11:02 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Networking and Converting Followers into Deals Latka interrupts Benson's soft networking story to demand specific monetization mechanics, asking him to act like an unempathetic capitalist and explain how conversations turn into revenue.11:03–13:23 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Trading Social Content for Luxury Hotel Stays Latka demands Benson unpack his vague advice about mutually beneficial deals. Benson educates Latka on offering photography and editorial blog rights to luxury hotels, explaining even micro-accounts can secure free stays.13:24–15:50 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Assistagram Business Model and Driving Traffic Latka gathers core business metrics for Assistagram, confirming client counts, monthly pricing tiers, and strategies for driving bio-link traffic.15:51–19:18 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Mid-Roll Sponsors: Toptal and HostGator Standard mid-roll sponsor reads for Toptal and HostGator followed by rapid-fire Famous Five questions and episode outro.1:39–5:47 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Zach Benson on Monetizing Global Dance Clinics Latka pushes Benson to clarify the economics of his dance clinics, demanding concrete revenue numbers and questioning how dance studios profit if Benson takes 100% of the gross ticket fee.5:47–8:29 · Nathan pushing back 5/10 Instagram Growth Mechanics and Assistagram Operations Latka calls out Benson's claim that all Instagram follow/unfollow actions are manual, forcing Benson to admit to using third-party tools like Crowdfire and Instagress while probing platform ban risks.8:32–11:02 · Nathan pushing back 6/10 Networking and Converting Followers into Deals Latka interrupts Benson's soft networking story to demand specific monetization mechanics, asking him to act like an unempathetic capitalist and explain how conversations turn into revenue.11:03–13:23 · Nathan pushing back 5/10 Trading Social Content for Luxury Hotel Stays Latka demands Benson unpack his vague advice about mutually beneficial deals. Benson educates Latka on offering photography and editorial blog rights to luxury hotels, explaining even micro-accounts can secure free stays.13:24–15:50 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Assistagram Business Model and Driving Traffic Latka gathers core business metrics for Assistagram, confirming client counts, monthly pricing tiers, and strategies for driving bio-link traffic.15:51–19:18 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 Mid-Roll Sponsors: Toptal and HostGator Standard mid-roll sponsor reads for Toptal and HostGator followed by rapid-fire Famous Five questions and episode outro.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 82.3% · guest 17.7%0:00 · Nathan 82.3% · guest 17.7%3:00 · Nathan 29.1% · guest 70.9%3:00 · Nathan 29.1% · guest 70.9%6:00 · Nathan 22.1% · guest 77.9%6:00 · Nathan 22.1% · guest 77.9%9:00 · Nathan 23.7% · guest 76.3%9:00 · Nathan 23.7% · guest 76.3%12:00 · Nathan 26.8% · guest 73.2%12:00 · Nathan 26.8% · guest 73.2%15:00 · Nathan 77% · guest 23%15:00 · Nathan 77% · guest 23%18:00 · Nathan 76.8% · guest 23.2%18:00 · Nathan 76.8% · guest 23.2%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 13:01 Benson refutes the premise that large follower counts are required

When Latka asserts luxury hotels would laugh in the face of an influencer asking for free stays, Benson counters by citing a client with only 122 followers who booked 10 free nights in Europe.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 10:09 Latka demands cold hard cash monetization details

Latka refuses Benson's vague networking narrative, explicitly instructing him to act like an unempathetic capitalist and show where actual revenue is captured.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 12:06 Benson explains barter photography for luxury hotels

Benson breaks down the asset exchange model for travel influencers, showing how providing high-end photo shoots and licensing rights provides immediate utility to hotel management in exchange for luxury lodging.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 7:47 Latka challenges Benson on third-party automation tools and TOS risks

Latka refuses to believe Benson grows accounts purely manually, forcing Benson to acknowledge specific automation apps before grilling him on Instagram's crackdown on third-party integrations.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Zach Benson on Monetizing Global Dance Clinics 4314 Latka pushes Benson to clarify the economics of his dance clinics, demanding concrete revenue numbers and questioning how dance studios profit if Benson takes 100% of the gross ticket fee.
Instagram Growth Mechanics and Assistagram Operations 5425 Latka calls out Benson's claim that all Instagram follow/unfollow actions are manual, forcing Benson to admit to using third-party tools like Crowdfire and Instagress while probing platform ban risks.
Networking and Converting Followers into Deals 5426 Latka interrupts Benson's soft networking story to demand specific monetization mechanics, asking him to act like an unempathetic capitalist and explain how conversations turn into revenue.
Trading Social Content for Luxury Hotel Stays 4525 Latka demands Benson unpack his vague advice about mutually beneficial deals. Benson educates Latka on offering photography and editorial blog rights to luxury hotels, explaining even micro-accounts can secure free stays.
Assistagram Business Model and Driving Traffic 3312 Latka gathers core business metrics for Assistagram, confirming client counts, monthly pricing tiers, and strategies for driving bio-link traffic.
Mid-Roll Sponsors: Toptal and HostGator 1100 Standard mid-roll sponsor reads for Toptal and HostGator followed by rapid-fire Famous Five questions and episode outro.

Statements from this episode (8)

Disclosure
Zach Benson: Dance clinics run at 2-4 studios weekly for $40-$50 per student
“So I'm usually doing like two to four dance studios per weekend. And I charge anywhere from 40 to 50 dollars per student for two hours of class, two age groups, 10 student minimum.”
Zach Benson Oct 5, 2016 ▶ 2:27
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Benson: Dance clinics generated over $100,000 in 2015 revenue
“Man, I don't even know, cause I was in Korea, and so I was you know, I have these other businesses and stuff too, but I mean, definitely like over six figures. Not that much. Yeah.”
Zach Benson Oct 5, 2016 ▶ 3:07
Disclosure
Zach Benson: Keeps 100% of clinic revenue without studio rental fees
“No, they don't charge me really anything. I keep a hundred percent.”
Zach Benson Oct 5, 2016 ▶ 4:39
Disclosure
Benson: Assistagram executes thousands of daily actions per account manually
“We do like thousands of daily actions on the accounts per day. I got someone working on the account, 10 to 12 hours a day.”
Zach Benson Oct 5, 2016 ▶ 6:27
Insight
Benson: Manual follow/unfollow on Instagram yields better results than automation
“We're finding that it's better and that we can follow and unfollow more people manually.”
Zach Benson Oct 5, 2016 ▶ 8:24
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Benson: Helped Creator With 122 Followers Get 10 Free Hotel Nights
“I helped a friend stay in Europe, 10 nights for free. She only has a 122 followers.”
Zach Benson Oct 5, 2016 ▶ 13:10
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Benson: Assistagram has about 10 clients internationally
“We only have like about 10 clients from the UK to Australia to US to India.”
Zach Benson Oct 5, 2016 ▶ 13:31
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Benson: Assistagram charges $500 to $1,000 monthly, mostly $500
“It's 500 dollars a month to a thousand depending on which package that you want. But yeah, most people go with the 500.”
Zach Benson Oct 5, 2016 ▶ 13:41
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