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Dec 9, 2016 · 16m · top-founders

EP 503: $125k for 5%, How To Grow Into $2m+ Valuation with InDemand CEO Alex Saidani

Nathan Latka · 7m spoken Alex Saidani · 6m spoken
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Host Nathan Latka interviews InDemand CEO Alex Saidani to dissect the unit economics, pricing pivots, and outbound sales strategies behind his white-label grocery SaaS platform. The conversation explores how InDemand generated $25,000 in monthly revenue and plans to scale into its $2.5 million post-500 Startups valuation.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 52.8% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 5.0 Guest teaching 2.8 Guest disagreement 1.5 Nathan pushing back 4.0
05100:0010:001:24–5:06 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Introducing Alex Saidani and InDemand's Retail Platform Nathan probes Saidani on the exact business model and customer counts, pushing to clarify the difference between the 150 total signups and the 25 truly active paying customers. Saidani explains their recent product pivot from a broad on-demand tool to white-label grocery software.5:07–8:15 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Revenue Breakdown, Product Modules, and Order Volumes Nathan breaks down the unit economics and attempts to calculate MRR, but Saidani clarifies that older accounts paid lower rates and 60% of recent revenue came from setup fees. Nathan swiftly isolates true recurring revenue to around $10,000 across 25 active accounts.8:15–12:22 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 500 Startups Investment Terms and Operational Runway Nathan challenges Saidani on accepting $125k for 5% from 500 Startups, noting the implied $2.5M valuation creates a high bar to avoid future down rounds. He then drills into monthly burn, remaining runway, and the economics of scraping sales leads on Fiverr.12:25–15:21 · Nathan as informed peer 2/10 Sponsor Spotlight: Acuity Scheduling Extended Free Trial The segment features an extended sponsor pitch for Acuity Scheduling followed by the standard rapid-fire Famous Five questionnaire, ending on an agreeable note.1:24–5:06 · Guest teaching 3/10 Introducing Alex Saidani and InDemand's Retail Platform Nathan probes Saidani on the exact business model and customer counts, pushing to clarify the difference between the 150 total signups and the 25 truly active paying customers. Saidani explains their recent product pivot from a broad on-demand tool to white-label grocery software.5:07–8:15 · Guest teaching 4/10 Revenue Breakdown, Product Modules, and Order Volumes Nathan breaks down the unit economics and attempts to calculate MRR, but Saidani clarifies that older accounts paid lower rates and 60% of recent revenue came from setup fees. Nathan swiftly isolates true recurring revenue to around $10,000 across 25 active accounts.8:15–12:22 · Guest teaching 3/10 500 Startups Investment Terms and Operational Runway Nathan challenges Saidani on accepting $125k for 5% from 500 Startups, noting the implied $2.5M valuation creates a high bar to avoid future down rounds. He then drills into monthly burn, remaining runway, and the economics of scraping sales leads on Fiverr.12:25–15:21 · Guest teaching 1/10 Sponsor Spotlight: Acuity Scheduling Extended Free Trial The segment features an extended sponsor pitch for Acuity Scheduling followed by the standard rapid-fire Famous Five questionnaire, ending on an agreeable note.1:24–5:06 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Introducing Alex Saidani and InDemand's Retail Platform Nathan probes Saidani on the exact business model and customer counts, pushing to clarify the difference between the 150 total signups and the 25 truly active paying customers. Saidani explains their recent product pivot from a broad on-demand tool to white-label grocery software.5:07–8:15 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Revenue Breakdown, Product Modules, and Order Volumes Nathan breaks down the unit economics and attempts to calculate MRR, but Saidani clarifies that older accounts paid lower rates and 60% of recent revenue came from setup fees. Nathan swiftly isolates true recurring revenue to around $10,000 across 25 active accounts.8:15–12:22 · Guest disagreement 2/10 500 Startups Investment Terms and Operational Runway Nathan challenges Saidani on accepting $125k for 5% from 500 Startups, noting the implied $2.5M valuation creates a high bar to avoid future down rounds. He then drills into monthly burn, remaining runway, and the economics of scraping sales leads on Fiverr.12:25–15:21 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Sponsor Spotlight: Acuity Scheduling Extended Free Trial The segment features an extended sponsor pitch for Acuity Scheduling followed by the standard rapid-fire Famous Five questionnaire, ending on an agreeable note.1:24–5:06 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Introducing Alex Saidani and InDemand's Retail Platform Nathan probes Saidani on the exact business model and customer counts, pushing to clarify the difference between the 150 total signups and the 25 truly active paying customers. Saidani explains their recent product pivot from a broad on-demand tool to white-label grocery software.5:07–8:15 · Nathan pushing back 5/10 Revenue Breakdown, Product Modules, and Order Volumes Nathan breaks down the unit economics and attempts to calculate MRR, but Saidani clarifies that older accounts paid lower rates and 60% of recent revenue came from setup fees. Nathan swiftly isolates true recurring revenue to around $10,000 across 25 active accounts.8:15–12:22 · Nathan pushing back 6/10 500 Startups Investment Terms and Operational Runway Nathan challenges Saidani on accepting $125k for 5% from 500 Startups, noting the implied $2.5M valuation creates a high bar to avoid future down rounds. He then drills into monthly burn, remaining runway, and the economics of scraping sales leads on Fiverr.12:25–15:21 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Sponsor Spotlight: Acuity Scheduling Extended Free Trial The segment features an extended sponsor pitch for Acuity Scheduling followed by the standard rapid-fire Famous Five questionnaire, ending on an agreeable note.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 66.2% · guest 33.8%0:00 · Nathan 66.2% · guest 33.8%3:00 · Nathan 25% · guest 75%3:00 · Nathan 25% · guest 75%6:00 · Nathan 45.8% · guest 54.2%6:00 · Nathan 45.8% · guest 54.2%9:00 · Nathan 34.5% · guest 65.5%9:00 · Nathan 34.5% · guest 65.5%12:00 · Nathan 79.6% · guest 20.4%12:00 · Nathan 79.6% · guest 20.4%15:00 · Nathan 98% · guest 2%15:00 · Nathan 98% · guest 2%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 5:25 Saidani refutes Nathan's simplified MRR math

Saidani directly rejects Nathan's simple multiplication of 150 customers by $250 ARPU, explaining that legacy users entered at $29 per month.

 Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 8:33 Nathan presses on valuation overhang risk

Nathan directly challenges the sustainability of taking capital at a $2.5M implied cap, questioning how a nascent 3-person team will grow into that valuation.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 5:25 Saidani clarifies services revenue vs software MRR

Saidani corrects the host's top-line revenue assumptions by explaining that 60% of October revenue was non-recurring setup fees rather than pure subscription revenue.

 Nathan holds their own ▶ 6:09 Nathan recalibrates true ARPU on active clients

Nathan quickly does real-time mental math to strip out one-time fees and inactive users, recalculating true ARPU to exactly $400 per month across the 25 active clients.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Introducing Alex Saidani and InDemand's Retail Platform 5314 Nathan probes Saidani on the exact business model and customer counts, pushing to clarify the difference between the 150 total signups and the 25 truly active paying customers. Saidani explains their recent product pivot from a broad on-demand tool to white-label grocery software.
Revenue Breakdown, Product Modules, and Order Volumes 6425 Nathan breaks down the unit economics and attempts to calculate MRR, but Saidani clarifies that older accounts paid lower rates and 60% of recent revenue came from setup fees. Nathan swiftly isolates true recurring revenue to around $10,000 across 25 active accounts.
500 Startups Investment Terms and Operational Runway 7326 Nathan challenges Saidani on accepting $125k for 5% from 500 Startups, noting the implied $2.5M valuation creates a high bar to avoid future down rounds. He then drills into monthly burn, remaining runway, and the economics of scraping sales leads on Fiverr.
Sponsor Spotlight: Acuity Scheduling Extended Free Trial 2111 The segment features an extended sponsor pitch for Acuity Scheduling followed by the standard rapid-fire Famous Five questionnaire, ending on an agreeable note.

Statements from this episode (9)

Disclosure
InDemand charges grocery stores setup, subscription, and per-order fees
“So we're actually just in the midst of a pivot, but so right now we sell software for grocery stores and other local retailers. Be able to sell to their customers online and actually deliver to them within the hour. We kind of say there's a white label Instaca…”
Alex Saidani Dec 9, 2016 ▶ 2:08
Assertion Not checkable as stated
InDemand generated about $325,000 in gross revenue over 18 months
“I mean, in the past 18 months we've made around 325 K.”
Alex Saidani Dec 9, 2016 ▶ 3:15
Assertion Not checkable as stated
InDemand has roughly 150 customer companies, with 25 actively processing orders
“We're working with, we've got about a 150 companies using the software. About 25 of them are active.”
Alex Saidani Dec 9, 2016 ▶ 4:14
Disclosure
InDemand generated about $25,000 in revenue in October 2016
“We made about 25,000 dollars in revenue. A lot of that was actually more set up fees and custom stuff than monthly.”
Alex Saidani Dec 9, 2016 ▶ 5:56
Disclosure
InDemand processed $6,000 in gross transaction volume in October 2016
“About 6000 dollars.”
Alex Saidani Dec 9, 2016 ▶ 7:57
Disclosure
500 Startups took 5% equity in InDemand for $125,000
“So it's sort of five percent and it converts when you raise the price round.”
Alex Saidani Dec 9, 2016 ▶ 8:34
Disclosure
InDemand had nine months of runway remaining as of November 2016
“We've got about nine months in runway.”
Alex Saidani Dec 9, 2016 ▶ 9:47
Disclosure
InDemand pays $40 per 200 leads to Fiverr researchers
“Yes, so we paid about 40 dollars for 200 leads sort of, you know, it's a little more expensive than others, but it's actually a pretty good deal because they are more high quality.”
Alex Saidani Dec 9, 2016 ▶ 11:23
Disclosure
InDemand sees a 2% conversion rate from outbound lead generation
“Yeah. So we got it was like a two percent conversion rate from that. So like two people.”
Alex Saidani Dec 9, 2016 ▶ 11:38
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