Sep 6, 2020 · 17m · top-founders

Visably Helps You Manage Search Exposure, $700k Raised, Pre-Revenue, Launch Soon

Chris Dickey · 11m spoken Nathan Latka · 4m spoken
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In this interview, Visably founder Chris Dickey joins Nathan Latka to discuss how his agency-incubated search intelligence platform maps full brand search footprints, detailing the startup's funding, lean operational structure, and go-to-market strategy.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 27.6% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 6.0 Guest teaching 3.0 Guest disagreement 1.8 Nathan pushing back 3.8
05100:0010:000:00–4:15 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Episode Preview: Chris Dickey on Visably's Launch After the standard promo intro, Latka immediately challenges Dickey on how Visably differs from established industry heavyweights like Ahrefs and SEMrush. Dickey explains the structural blind spots of those tools, educating Latka on how search engine results pages feature third-party and retail links rather than direct brand websites.4:17–6:36 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Mapping Search Footprints and Brand Blind Spots Dickey outlines how Visably categorizes PR, brand-owned, and e-commerce SERP placements. Latka quickly synthesizes the concept back to him using a concrete fleece jacket example, demonstrating rapid domain comprehension and aligning with the guest's framework.6:36–10:34 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Beta Traction and Go-to-Market Growth Strategy Latka applies strong pressure regarding Visably being pre-revenue after spending $800k in capital, questioning why Dickey did not hedge risk with customer pre-sales. Dickey defends the decision by emphasizing the necessity of having a polished data infrastructure before monetizing.10:34–13:08 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Startup Team Structure, Burn Rate, and Financial Runway Latka drills into team payroll, monthly burn ($30k-$40k), and the timeline before the company runs out of cash. When Latka suggests the company faces drastic cuts by spring 2021 if revenue doesn't materialize, Dickey pushes back against the word 'drastic', noting they can simply raise more seed capital.13:08–15:36 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Angel Pitch Strategy and Agency-Born SaaS Advantages Dickey shares his angel fundraising story and how agency client problems validated product-market fit. Latka interrupts to validate this model, citing the historical SaaS playbook of turning agency clients into initial software subscribers.15:36–17:21 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Business Questions The interview wraps up with the standard rapid-fire Famous Five format covering favorite tools, CEOs, sleep habits, and age, concluding with Latka's recap summary.0:00–4:15 · Guest teaching 5/10 Episode Preview: Chris Dickey on Visably's Launch After the standard promo intro, Latka immediately challenges Dickey on how Visably differs from established industry heavyweights like Ahrefs and SEMrush. Dickey explains the structural blind spots of those tools, educating Latka on how search engine results pages feature third-party and retail links rather than direct brand websites.4:17–6:36 · Guest teaching 4/10 Mapping Search Footprints and Brand Blind Spots Dickey outlines how Visably categorizes PR, brand-owned, and e-commerce SERP placements. Latka quickly synthesizes the concept back to him using a concrete fleece jacket example, demonstrating rapid domain comprehension and aligning with the guest's framework.6:36–10:34 · Guest teaching 3/10 Beta Traction and Go-to-Market Growth Strategy Latka applies strong pressure regarding Visably being pre-revenue after spending $800k in capital, questioning why Dickey did not hedge risk with customer pre-sales. Dickey defends the decision by emphasizing the necessity of having a polished data infrastructure before monetizing.10:34–13:08 · Guest teaching 2/10 Startup Team Structure, Burn Rate, and Financial Runway Latka drills into team payroll, monthly burn ($30k-$40k), and the timeline before the company runs out of cash. When Latka suggests the company faces drastic cuts by spring 2021 if revenue doesn't materialize, Dickey pushes back against the word 'drastic', noting they can simply raise more seed capital.13:08–15:36 · Guest teaching 3/10 Angel Pitch Strategy and Agency-Born SaaS Advantages Dickey shares his angel fundraising story and how agency client problems validated product-market fit. Latka interrupts to validate this model, citing the historical SaaS playbook of turning agency clients into initial software subscribers.15:36–17:21 · Guest teaching 1/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Business Questions The interview wraps up with the standard rapid-fire Famous Five format covering favorite tools, CEOs, sleep habits, and age, concluding with Latka's recap summary.0:00–4:15 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Episode Preview: Chris Dickey on Visably's Launch After the standard promo intro, Latka immediately challenges Dickey on how Visably differs from established industry heavyweights like Ahrefs and SEMrush. Dickey explains the structural blind spots of those tools, educating Latka on how search engine results pages feature third-party and retail links rather than direct brand websites.4:17–6:36 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Mapping Search Footprints and Brand Blind Spots Dickey outlines how Visably categorizes PR, brand-owned, and e-commerce SERP placements. Latka quickly synthesizes the concept back to him using a concrete fleece jacket example, demonstrating rapid domain comprehension and aligning with the guest's framework.6:36–10:34 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Beta Traction and Go-to-Market Growth Strategy Latka applies strong pressure regarding Visably being pre-revenue after spending $800k in capital, questioning why Dickey did not hedge risk with customer pre-sales. Dickey defends the decision by emphasizing the necessity of having a polished data infrastructure before monetizing.10:34–13:08 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Startup Team Structure, Burn Rate, and Financial Runway Latka drills into team payroll, monthly burn ($30k-$40k), and the timeline before the company runs out of cash. When Latka suggests the company faces drastic cuts by spring 2021 if revenue doesn't materialize, Dickey pushes back against the word 'drastic', noting they can simply raise more seed capital.13:08–15:36 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Angel Pitch Strategy and Agency-Born SaaS Advantages Dickey shares his angel fundraising story and how agency client problems validated product-market fit. Latka interrupts to validate this model, citing the historical SaaS playbook of turning agency clients into initial software subscribers.15:36–17:21 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Business Questions The interview wraps up with the standard rapid-fire Famous Five format covering favorite tools, CEOs, sleep habits, and age, concluding with Latka's recap summary.0:00–4:15 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Episode Preview: Chris Dickey on Visably's Launch After the standard promo intro, Latka immediately challenges Dickey on how Visably differs from established industry heavyweights like Ahrefs and SEMrush. Dickey explains the structural blind spots of those tools, educating Latka on how search engine results pages feature third-party and retail links rather than direct brand websites.4:17–6:36 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Mapping Search Footprints and Brand Blind Spots Dickey outlines how Visably categorizes PR, brand-owned, and e-commerce SERP placements. Latka quickly synthesizes the concept back to him using a concrete fleece jacket example, demonstrating rapid domain comprehension and aligning with the guest's framework.6:36–10:34 · Nathan pushing back 7/10 Beta Traction and Go-to-Market Growth Strategy Latka applies strong pressure regarding Visably being pre-revenue after spending $800k in capital, questioning why Dickey did not hedge risk with customer pre-sales. Dickey defends the decision by emphasizing the necessity of having a polished data infrastructure before monetizing.10:34–13:08 · Nathan pushing back 6/10 Startup Team Structure, Burn Rate, and Financial Runway Latka drills into team payroll, monthly burn ($30k-$40k), and the timeline before the company runs out of cash. When Latka suggests the company faces drastic cuts by spring 2021 if revenue doesn't materialize, Dickey pushes back against the word 'drastic', noting they can simply raise more seed capital.13:08–15:36 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Angel Pitch Strategy and Agency-Born SaaS Advantages Dickey shares his angel fundraising story and how agency client problems validated product-market fit. Latka interrupts to validate this model, citing the historical SaaS playbook of turning agency clients into initial software subscribers.15:36–17:21 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Business Questions The interview wraps up with the standard rapid-fire Famous Five format covering favorite tools, CEOs, sleep habits, and age, concluding with Latka's recap summary.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 52.3% · guest 47.7%0:00 · Nathan 52.3% · guest 47.7%3:00 · Nathan 16.4% · guest 83.6%3:00 · Nathan 16.4% · guest 83.6%6:00 · Nathan 14.2% · guest 85.8%6:00 · Nathan 14.2% · guest 85.8%9:00 · Nathan 17.9% · guest 82.1%9:00 · Nathan 17.9% · guest 82.1%12:00 · Nathan 19.4% · guest 80.6%12:00 · Nathan 19.4% · guest 80.6%15:00 · Nathan 47.5% · guest 52.5%15:00 · Nathan 47.5% · guest 52.5%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 12:43 Dickey rejects Latka's 'drastic changes' label

When Latka asserts that Visably will have to make 'drastic changes' if revenue isn't flowing by spring 2021, Dickey firmly pushes back, reframing the situation as a normal step to raise a Seed 2 or Series A.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 9:13 Latka challenges building without pre-sales

Latka challenges Dickey for sitting on $800k in deployed capital without customer validation, pressing him on why he didn't secure pre-sales to hedge risk.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 1:59 Dickey breaks down SERP multi-channel reality

Dickey educates Latka on why standard SEO tools fail by showing that product keywords often return media reviews and e-commerce listings rather than brand domains.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 5:32 Latka maps the PR and SERP metadata workflow

Latka demonstrates sharp domain expertise by taking Dickey's abstract concept and spelling out the full tactical workflow across ads, Amazon listings, and media PR hits.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Episode Preview: Chris Dickey on Visably's Launch 6523 After the standard promo intro, Latka immediately challenges Dickey on how Visably differs from established industry heavyweights like Ahrefs and SEMrush. Dickey explains the structural blind spots of those tools, educating Latka on how search engine results pages feature third-party and retail links rather than direct brand websites.
Mapping Search Footprints and Brand Blind Spots 7412 Dickey outlines how Visably categorizes PR, brand-owned, and e-commerce SERP placements. Latka quickly synthesizes the concept back to him using a concrete fleece jacket example, demonstrating rapid domain comprehension and aligning with the guest's framework.
Beta Traction and Go-to-Market Growth Strategy 7337 Latka applies strong pressure regarding Visably being pre-revenue after spending $800k in capital, questioning why Dickey did not hedge risk with customer pre-sales. Dickey defends the decision by emphasizing the necessity of having a polished data infrastructure before monetizing.
Startup Team Structure, Burn Rate, and Financial Runway 6236 Latka drills into team payroll, monthly burn ($30k-$40k), and the timeline before the company runs out of cash. When Latka suggests the company faces drastic cuts by spring 2021 if revenue doesn't materialize, Dickey pushes back against the word 'drastic', noting they can simply raise more seed capital.
Angel Pitch Strategy and Agency-Born SaaS Advantages 6313 Dickey shares his angel fundraising story and how agency client problems validated product-market fit. Latka interrupts to validate this model, citing the historical SaaS playbook of turning agency clients into initial software subscribers.
The Famous Five Rapid-Fire Business Questions 4112 The interview wraps up with the standard rapid-fire Famous Five format covering favorite tools, CEOs, sleep habits, and age, concluding with Latka's recap summary.

Statements from this episode (6)

Opinion
Dickey: Legacy SEO tools only track owned domain performance
“And where those platforms fall short is they focus exclusively on how your website or your own domain is performing, which is just like one of many ways that a customer may find you.”
Chris Dickey Sep 6, 2020 ▶ 2:20
Disclosure
Dickey: Visably inspects content behind every search result link
“So visibly actually looks at the content behind every single link on the page and identifies yes or no. Is your branded content present on that page?”
Chris Dickey Sep 6, 2020 ▶ 4:46
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Visably is pre-revenue in beta after 18 months of development
“So we are pre-revenue. We're in beta. We've been developing the product for about a year and a half.”
Chris Dickey Sep 6, 2020 ▶ 6:43
Disclosure
Visably raised $700K plus $50K Wyoming grant and $50K founder capital
“We raised 700,000 up front and we received a grant from Zeta Wyoming to kick it off for 50,000. So you could say we put in, then I've, I put in another, you know, and I'll say 50 of my own money. So I'd say to date, we've, Infuse around 800,000 and we haven't …”
Chris Dickey Sep 6, 2020 ▶ 8:52
Disclosure
Visably burns $30K-$40K monthly while founder takes no salary
“Honestly, I think we're doing like 30 to 40 grand a month which is pretty, pretty good. I think we can be spending a lot more than that. I'm not paying myself right now, you know and you know, we have a, one of our engineers is basically working for equity onl…”
Chris Dickey Sep 6, 2020 ▶ 11:44
Insight
Latka: Successful SaaS startups often emerge from agencies with built-in demand
“Very successful SaaS companies come out of agencies, because you already know the problem, and you already have a built-in customer base.”
Nathan Latka Sep 6, 2020 ▶ 15:19
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