Oct 29, 2020 · 26m · top-founders

Flowster Hits $10k MRR After eCommerce Brand Hits $3.1m In Amazon Sales

Trent Dyrsmid · 15m spoken Nathan Latka · 7m spoken
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In this episode, entrepreneur Trent Dyrsmid breaks down how he leveraged the systems from his $3.1 million Amazon business to build Flowster, a bootstrapped SaaS platform reaching $10,000 MRR. He discusses standard operating procedure creation, delegation, upmarket pricing shifts, and capital-efficient reinvestment strategies.

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Nathan as informed peer 5.4 Guest teaching 3.3 Guest disagreement 1.3 Nathan pushing back 3.1
05100:0010:0020:001:44–3:45 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Introducing Trent Dyrsmid and His $3.1M Amazon Business Latka conducts efficient fact-finding around Dyrsmid's Inc. 5000 Amazon reseller business. He clarifies the timeline between the ecommerce venture and the software spinout without tension.3:46–7:53 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Building Standard Operating Procedures and Scaling with VAs Latka presses on why hiring virtual assistants was a viable moat against competitors automating with software macros. Dyrsmid explains his detailed SOP creation and outbound sales pipeline.7:54–10:52 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 From a $412K Presentation to Founding Flowster Dyrsmid recounts how delivering a conference presentation without a pitch generated $412K in SOP sales in seven days. Latka listens closely to understand the transition into software.10:54–14:14 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Sponsor Message: Flippa Software Valuation Calculator After an ad read, Latka inspects Flowster live and challenges whether everyone using the same workflow templates leads to market saturation. Dyrsmid counters by citing the massive scale of Amazon's product catalog.14:15–18:26 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 SaaS Business Metrics, Pricing Shifts, and Brand Expansion Latka drills into Flowster's recurring metrics, pressing Dyrsmid to separate one-time info-product buyers from actual paying SaaS subscriptions. Dyrsmid outlines the freemium conversion numbers and upcoming price increases.18:26–22:59 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Team Structure, Capital Allocation, and SaaS Churn Economics Latka demonstrates SaaS financial acumen by immediately translating Dyrsmid's raw churn numbers into net retention and account expansion rates. Dyrsmid confirms the math and cites value-based pricing research.23:00–25:24 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Famous Five Questions and Entrepreneurial Reflections Latka runs through the standard Famous Five questions and offers commentary on the economics of niche B2B podcast audiences. The discussion ends cordially.1:44–3:45 · Guest teaching 2/10 Introducing Trent Dyrsmid and His $3.1M Amazon Business Latka conducts efficient fact-finding around Dyrsmid's Inc. 5000 Amazon reseller business. He clarifies the timeline between the ecommerce venture and the software spinout without tension.3:46–7:53 · Guest teaching 4/10 Building Standard Operating Procedures and Scaling with VAs Latka presses on why hiring virtual assistants was a viable moat against competitors automating with software macros. Dyrsmid explains his detailed SOP creation and outbound sales pipeline.7:54–10:52 · Guest teaching 4/10 From a $412K Presentation to Founding Flowster Dyrsmid recounts how delivering a conference presentation without a pitch generated $412K in SOP sales in seven days. Latka listens closely to understand the transition into software.10:54–14:14 · Guest teaching 5/10 Sponsor Message: Flippa Software Valuation Calculator After an ad read, Latka inspects Flowster live and challenges whether everyone using the same workflow templates leads to market saturation. Dyrsmid counters by citing the massive scale of Amazon's product catalog.14:15–18:26 · Guest teaching 3/10 SaaS Business Metrics, Pricing Shifts, and Brand Expansion Latka drills into Flowster's recurring metrics, pressing Dyrsmid to separate one-time info-product buyers from actual paying SaaS subscriptions. Dyrsmid outlines the freemium conversion numbers and upcoming price increases.18:26–22:59 · Guest teaching 3/10 Team Structure, Capital Allocation, and SaaS Churn Economics Latka demonstrates SaaS financial acumen by immediately translating Dyrsmid's raw churn numbers into net retention and account expansion rates. Dyrsmid confirms the math and cites value-based pricing research.23:00–25:24 · Guest teaching 2/10 Famous Five Questions and Entrepreneurial Reflections Latka runs through the standard Famous Five questions and offers commentary on the economics of niche B2B podcast audiences. The discussion ends cordially.1:44–3:45 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Introducing Trent Dyrsmid and His $3.1M Amazon Business Latka conducts efficient fact-finding around Dyrsmid's Inc. 5000 Amazon reseller business. He clarifies the timeline between the ecommerce venture and the software spinout without tension.3:46–7:53 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Building Standard Operating Procedures and Scaling with VAs Latka presses on why hiring virtual assistants was a viable moat against competitors automating with software macros. Dyrsmid explains his detailed SOP creation and outbound sales pipeline.7:54–10:52 · Guest disagreement 1/10 From a $412K Presentation to Founding Flowster Dyrsmid recounts how delivering a conference presentation without a pitch generated $412K in SOP sales in seven days. Latka listens closely to understand the transition into software.10:54–14:14 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Sponsor Message: Flippa Software Valuation Calculator After an ad read, Latka inspects Flowster live and challenges whether everyone using the same workflow templates leads to market saturation. Dyrsmid counters by citing the massive scale of Amazon's product catalog.14:15–18:26 · Guest disagreement 2/10 SaaS Business Metrics, Pricing Shifts, and Brand Expansion Latka drills into Flowster's recurring metrics, pressing Dyrsmid to separate one-time info-product buyers from actual paying SaaS subscriptions. Dyrsmid outlines the freemium conversion numbers and upcoming price increases.18:26–22:59 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Team Structure, Capital Allocation, and SaaS Churn Economics Latka demonstrates SaaS financial acumen by immediately translating Dyrsmid's raw churn numbers into net retention and account expansion rates. Dyrsmid confirms the math and cites value-based pricing research.23:00–25:24 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Famous Five Questions and Entrepreneurial Reflections Latka runs through the standard Famous Five questions and offers commentary on the economics of niche B2B podcast audiences. The discussion ends cordially.1:44–3:45 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Introducing Trent Dyrsmid and His $3.1M Amazon Business Latka conducts efficient fact-finding around Dyrsmid's Inc. 5000 Amazon reseller business. He clarifies the timeline between the ecommerce venture and the software spinout without tension.3:46–7:53 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Building Standard Operating Procedures and Scaling with VAs Latka presses on why hiring virtual assistants was a viable moat against competitors automating with software macros. Dyrsmid explains his detailed SOP creation and outbound sales pipeline.7:54–10:52 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 From a $412K Presentation to Founding Flowster Dyrsmid recounts how delivering a conference presentation without a pitch generated $412K in SOP sales in seven days. Latka listens closely to understand the transition into software.10:54–14:14 · Nathan pushing back 5/10 Sponsor Message: Flippa Software Valuation Calculator After an ad read, Latka inspects Flowster live and challenges whether everyone using the same workflow templates leads to market saturation. Dyrsmid counters by citing the massive scale of Amazon's product catalog.14:15–18:26 · Nathan pushing back 5/10 SaaS Business Metrics, Pricing Shifts, and Brand Expansion Latka drills into Flowster's recurring metrics, pressing Dyrsmid to separate one-time info-product buyers from actual paying SaaS subscriptions. Dyrsmid outlines the freemium conversion numbers and upcoming price increases.18:26–22:59 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 Team Structure, Capital Allocation, and SaaS Churn Economics Latka demonstrates SaaS financial acumen by immediately translating Dyrsmid's raw churn numbers into net retention and account expansion rates. Dyrsmid confirms the math and cites value-based pricing research.23:00–25:24 · Nathan pushing back 1/10 Famous Five Questions and Entrepreneurial Reflections Latka runs through the standard Famous Five questions and offers commentary on the economics of niche B2B podcast audiences. The discussion ends cordially.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 59.7% · guest 40.3%0:00 · Nathan 59.7% · guest 40.3%3:00 · Nathan 28% · guest 72%3:00 · Nathan 28% · guest 72%6:00 · Nathan 8.3% · guest 91.7%6:00 · Nathan 8.3% · guest 91.7%9:00 · Nathan 42.8% · guest 57.2%9:00 · Nathan 42.8% · guest 57.2%12:00 · Nathan 27.7% · guest 72.3%12:00 · Nathan 27.7% · guest 72.3%15:00 · Nathan 19.1% · guest 80.9%15:00 · Nathan 19.1% · guest 80.9%18:00 · Nathan 32.1% · guest 67.9%18:00 · Nathan 32.1% · guest 67.9%21:00 · Nathan 30.5% · guest 69.5%21:00 · Nathan 30.5% · guest 69.5%24:00 · Nathan 57.4% · guest 42.6%24:00 · Nathan 57.4% · guest 42.6%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 12:46 Dyrsmid counters market saturation hypothesis

Dyrsmid dismisses the premise that widespread use of his templates ruins the market, emphasizing the massive half-billion product ecosystem on Amazon.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 12:25 Latka questions template effectiveness at scale

Latka directly challenges Flowster's utility, arguing that when many users extract the same competitor data, the playbook loses its competitive value.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 12:46 Dyrsmid outlines Amazon reseller economics

Dyrsmid educates Latka on the distribution of Amazon sellers, noting that despite millions of registered resellers, only 4% exceed $100K in revenue.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 21:52 Latka calculates implied retention and expansion on the fly

Latka quickly converts Dyrsmid's raw gross and net MRR churn numbers into a 98% net revenue retention figure and deduces the 5-6% upsell expansion rate.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Introducing Trent Dyrsmid and His $3.1M Amazon Business 5213 Latka conducts efficient fact-finding around Dyrsmid's Inc. 5000 Amazon reseller business. He clarifies the timeline between the ecommerce venture and the software spinout without tension.
Building Standard Operating Procedures and Scaling with VAs 5413 Latka presses on why hiring virtual assistants was a viable moat against competitors automating with software macros. Dyrsmid explains his detailed SOP creation and outbound sales pipeline.
From a $412K Presentation to Founding Flowster 4411 Dyrsmid recounts how delivering a conference presentation without a pitch generated $412K in SOP sales in seven days. Latka listens closely to understand the transition into software.
Sponsor Message: Flippa Software Valuation Calculator 6525 After an ad read, Latka inspects Flowster live and challenges whether everyone using the same workflow templates leads to market saturation. Dyrsmid counters by citing the massive scale of Amazon's product catalog.
SaaS Business Metrics, Pricing Shifts, and Brand Expansion 6325 Latka drills into Flowster's recurring metrics, pressing Dyrsmid to separate one-time info-product buyers from actual paying SaaS subscriptions. Dyrsmid outlines the freemium conversion numbers and upcoming price increases.
Team Structure, Capital Allocation, and SaaS Churn Economics 7314 Latka demonstrates SaaS financial acumen by immediately translating Dyrsmid's raw churn numbers into net retention and account expansion rates. Dyrsmid confirms the math and cites value-based pricing research.
Famous Five Questions and Entrepreneurial Reflections 5211 Latka runs through the standard Famous Five questions and offers commentary on the economics of niche B2B podcast audiences. The discussion ends cordially.

Statements from this episode (13)

Assertion Supported
Dyrsmid's E-Commerce Business Reached $3.1M in Three-Year Revenue
“3.1 million, I think it was.”
Trent Dyrsmid Oct 29, 2020 ▶ 3:15
Opinion
Trent Dyrsmid Claims Most Amazon Resellers Lack Technical Savvy
“I know that in the Amazon reseller space, the vast majority of the competitors are not particularly tech savvy.”
Trent Dyrsmid Oct 29, 2020 ▶ 5:40
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Trent Dyrsmid Sold $412,000 Worth of SOP Documents in Seven Days
“Well, we sold 412,000 dollars of them in the first seven days.”
Trent Dyrsmid Oct 29, 2020 ▶ 8:53
Assertion Supported
Only 4% of Six Million Amazon Resellers Exceed $100k Annual Revenue
“And there are last count that I've heard six million odd Amazon resellers, but only four percent of those Amazon resellers, Nathan ever exceed a 100,000 dollars a year in revenue.”
Trent Dyrsmid Oct 29, 2020 ▶ 13:02
Disclosure
Dyrsmid's E-Commerce Product Generates Millions to Bootstrap Flowster
“Now that happens to generate millions in sales for us which is great from cash flow and funding the growth of flowster and so on.”
Trent Dyrsmid Oct 29, 2020 ▶ 13:36
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Dyrsmid Predicts More Brands Will Directly Operate Amazon Seller Accounts
“There's a trend in the Amazon marketplace. And that trend is this, the manufacturers of these goods, brand owners, more of them are wanting more control over the Amazon channel. So that means. That they're going to start opening their own Amazon seller central…”
Trent Dyrsmid Oct 29, 2020 ▶ 15:06
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Flowster Has 5,000 Total Users and up to 600 Paid Subscribers
“We have about 5000 users on the platform. We run currently a freemium model. About 500 or 600 of those users are in an active subscription at this point in time.”
Trent Dyrsmid Oct 29, 2020 ▶ 16:06
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Flowster Has Sold 1,000 One-Time Fee Info Product Packages
“1000 people have paid the one time fee.”
Trent Dyrsmid Oct 29, 2020 ▶ 16:25
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Flowster Currently Averages $20 in Monthly Recurring Revenue Per User
“Currently the average MRR is 20 bucks.”
Trent Dyrsmid Oct 29, 2020 ▶ 16:58
Disclosure
Flowster Equity Is Split Evenly Between Dyrsmid's Family and CTO
“My wife and I own equal equity. Yeah. The co-founder and I mean, so my wife and I own half and the co-founder.”
Trent Dyrsmid Oct 29, 2020 ▶ 19:05
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Flowster Pays a $115 Customer Acquisition Cost for $240 Annual Subscribers
“So that CAC, I know that CAC's about a 115 dollars.”
Trent Dyrsmid Oct 29, 2020 ▶ 20:19
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Flowster Reported 9.4% Gross MRR Churn in September 2020
“So, I'm taking the numbers here from a dashboard. We use something called ChartMogul, and according to ChartMogul, we have gross, with our historical set of customers, gross MRR churn of nine point 40% as of September, with net MRR churn of 2.67% as of Septemb…”
Trent Dyrsmid Oct 29, 2020 ▶ 21:31
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Dyrsmid's E-Commerce Podcast Reaches 170,000 Monthly Episode Starts
“I'm getting about a 170,000 starts per month of the, of all of the episodes.”
Trent Dyrsmid Oct 29, 2020 ▶ 23:57
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