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Mar 25, 2021 · 18m · top-founders

Physna Raises $7m More for Geometric Deep Learning in 3d

Paul Powers · 10m spoken Nathan Latka · 5m spoken
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Physna founder Paul Powers joins Nathan Latka to discuss the company's 3D CAD geometric search engine, detailing its strategic pivot from IP protection, a $2,500 per user SaaS pricing model, and a scaling Cincinnati team targeting $5 million in ARR.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 36.5% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 4.0 Guest teaching 2.2 Guest disagreement 1.4 Nathan pushing back 2.8
05100:0010:001:31–4:28 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 Overview of Physna's 3D CAD Search Technology Nathan relates the product to Gmail autofill and his own architecture major background while calculating contract values on the fly. Paul explains the 15-to-1 ROI savings metric and seat pricing cleanly.4:29–10:11 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 Founding Physna and Shifting from IP Protection Nathan repeatedly drills into revenue calculations and tries to distinguish pilots from paying customers. Paul corrects Nathan on the pricing cadence being annual rather than monthly and clarifies pipeline versus bank receipts.10:11–14:20 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Cincinnati Team Footprint and Seed Fundraising Nathan asks detailed questions about capitalization and customer acquisition channels, confirming that the business had essentially zero revenue a year prior.14:20–17:58 · Nathan as informed peer 5/10 SaaS Retention and Future Series A Financing Nathan probes into capital strategy, challenging the guest on taking equity dilution instead of utilizing venture debt before transitioning into standard rapid-fire questions.17:58–18:27 · Nathan as informed peer 0/10 Host Recap and Interview Conclusion Solo closing wrap-up by the host summarizing the startup metrics and wishing the founder well.1:31–4:28 · Guest teaching 3/10 Overview of Physna's 3D CAD Search Technology Nathan relates the product to Gmail autofill and his own architecture major background while calculating contract values on the fly. Paul explains the 15-to-1 ROI savings metric and seat pricing cleanly.4:29–10:11 · Guest teaching 4/10 Founding Physna and Shifting from IP Protection Nathan repeatedly drills into revenue calculations and tries to distinguish pilots from paying customers. Paul corrects Nathan on the pricing cadence being annual rather than monthly and clarifies pipeline versus bank receipts.10:11–14:20 · Guest teaching 2/10 Cincinnati Team Footprint and Seed Fundraising Nathan asks detailed questions about capitalization and customer acquisition channels, confirming that the business had essentially zero revenue a year prior.14:20–17:58 · Guest teaching 2/10 SaaS Retention and Future Series A Financing Nathan probes into capital strategy, challenging the guest on taking equity dilution instead of utilizing venture debt before transitioning into standard rapid-fire questions.17:58–18:27 · Guest teaching 0/10 Host Recap and Interview Conclusion Solo closing wrap-up by the host summarizing the startup metrics and wishing the founder well.1:31–4:28 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Overview of Physna's 3D CAD Search Technology Nathan relates the product to Gmail autofill and his own architecture major background while calculating contract values on the fly. Paul explains the 15-to-1 ROI savings metric and seat pricing cleanly.4:29–10:11 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Founding Physna and Shifting from IP Protection Nathan repeatedly drills into revenue calculations and tries to distinguish pilots from paying customers. Paul corrects Nathan on the pricing cadence being annual rather than monthly and clarifies pipeline versus bank receipts.10:11–14:20 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Cincinnati Team Footprint and Seed Fundraising Nathan asks detailed questions about capitalization and customer acquisition channels, confirming that the business had essentially zero revenue a year prior.14:20–17:58 · Guest disagreement 2/10 SaaS Retention and Future Series A Financing Nathan probes into capital strategy, challenging the guest on taking equity dilution instead of utilizing venture debt before transitioning into standard rapid-fire questions.17:58–18:27 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Host Recap and Interview Conclusion Solo closing wrap-up by the host summarizing the startup metrics and wishing the founder well.1:31–4:28 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Overview of Physna's 3D CAD Search Technology Nathan relates the product to Gmail autofill and his own architecture major background while calculating contract values on the fly. Paul explains the 15-to-1 ROI savings metric and seat pricing cleanly.4:29–10:11 · Nathan pushing back 5/10 Founding Physna and Shifting from IP Protection Nathan repeatedly drills into revenue calculations and tries to distinguish pilots from paying customers. Paul corrects Nathan on the pricing cadence being annual rather than monthly and clarifies pipeline versus bank receipts.10:11–14:20 · Nathan pushing back 3/10 Cincinnati Team Footprint and Seed Fundraising Nathan asks detailed questions about capitalization and customer acquisition channels, confirming that the business had essentially zero revenue a year prior.14:20–17:58 · Nathan pushing back 4/10 SaaS Retention and Future Series A Financing Nathan probes into capital strategy, challenging the guest on taking equity dilution instead of utilizing venture debt before transitioning into standard rapid-fire questions.17:58–18:27 · Nathan pushing back 0/10 Host Recap and Interview Conclusion Solo closing wrap-up by the host summarizing the startup metrics and wishing the founder well.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 67% · guest 33%0:00 · Nathan 67% · guest 33%3:00 · Nathan 30% · guest 70%3:00 · Nathan 30% · guest 70%6:00 · Nathan 25.9% · guest 74.1%6:00 · Nathan 25.9% · guest 74.1%9:00 · Nathan 33% · guest 67%9:00 · Nathan 33% · guest 67%12:00 · Nathan 26.3% · guest 73.7%12:00 · Nathan 26.3% · guest 73.7%15:00 · Nathan 26.9% · guest 73.1%15:00 · Nathan 26.9% · guest 73.1%18:00 · Nathan 95.2% · guest 4.8%18:00 · Nathan 95.2% · guest 4.8%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 15:34 Guest defends equity structure against venture debt framing

Paul pushes back against the host's insistence on venture debt by explaining that simple common stock suited their high-net-worth individual investor base.

 Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 9:27 Host presses on actual ARR versus forward projection

Nathan refuses to accept the $5M forward projection at face value and aggressively drills down to find whether the company has crossed $1M ARR in cash receipts.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 9:05 Guest corrects host MRR assumption to annual pricing

Paul clarifies that the $2,500 fee is per year rather than per month, resetting the host's inflated run-rate math.

 Nathan holds their own ▶ 4:07 Host connects CAD mechanics to architecture background

Nathan demonstrates domain familiarity by citing his architecture studies and explaining the common workflow inefficiencies of manually copying and pasting design symbols.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
Overview of Physna's 3D CAD Search Technology 5312 Nathan relates the product to Gmail autofill and his own architecture major background while calculating contract values on the fly. Paul explains the 15-to-1 ROI savings metric and seat pricing cleanly.
Founding Physna and Shifting from IP Protection 6435 Nathan repeatedly drills into revenue calculations and tries to distinguish pilots from paying customers. Paul corrects Nathan on the pricing cadence being annual rather than monthly and clarifies pipeline versus bank receipts.
Cincinnati Team Footprint and Seed Fundraising 4213 Nathan asks detailed questions about capitalization and customer acquisition channels, confirming that the business had essentially zero revenue a year prior.
SaaS Retention and Future Series A Financing 5224 Nathan probes into capital strategy, challenging the guest on taking equity dilution instead of utilizing venture debt before transitioning into standard rapid-fire questions.
Host Recap and Interview Conclusion 0000 Solo closing wrap-up by the host summarizing the startup metrics and wishing the founder well.

Statements from this episode (9)

Assertion Partly supported
Powers: Physna operates as autofill for 3D CAD design
“So FISNA is best thought of as like an auto fill for three design. So if you're in the process of designing something, FISNA will try to guess what you're designing and search throughout your database be it through CAD or PLM or whatever you use to see if you'…”
Paul Powers Mar 25, 2021 ▶ 1:57
Disclosure
Powers: Physna costs $2,500 per user annually with 15-to-1 ROI
“But the average cost per user is gonna be 2500, so it's a 15 to one ratio of savings to cost.”
Paul Powers Mar 25, 2021 ▶ 3:17
Opinion
Legacy 3D tech relies on 2D methods, lacking native 3D understanding
“We realized that nothing was actually built to understand three D from a three D perspective. Everything was just a two D technology like point cloud or whatever, trying to understand three D.”
Paul Powers Mar 25, 2021 ▶ 5:28
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Powers: Less than one-third of Physna's 50 organizations are paying customers
“So the paying customers, there's rolling maybe a third or under a third of that.”
Paul Powers Mar 25, 2021 ▶ 7:50
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Powers: Physna will add 100 to 200 paying customers next year
“Yeah, so I would say that next year, our goal for next year is to add on probably about, I would think we'll get to maybe another hundred or 200 paying customers.”
Paul Powers Mar 25, 2021 ▶ 7:55
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Powers: Physna will hit at least $5M ARR by end of 2019
“We should be at least at about five million recurring annual revenue at the end of 2019.”
Paul Powers Mar 25, 2021 ▶ 9:23
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Powers: Physna has not yet crossed $1M in cash collected ARR
“We have not broken. Broken it as far as it actually received in the bank.”
Paul Powers Mar 25, 2021 ▶ 9:59
Disclosure
Physna raised its initial $2M as common stock from angel investors
“With the people being high net worth individuals who are investing, we've kind of chosen to kind of keep it simple and equity just seemed to be the simplest option. Just straight up common stock.”
Paul Powers Mar 25, 2021 ▶ 15:23
Disclosure
Powers: Physna targets Series A raise around May
“So we've finished up everything that we would consider seed, this two million, and then now we're looking, probably doing a larger raise around May that'll be more of a series A type raise”
Paul Powers Mar 25, 2021 ▶ 15:55
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