Aug 22, 2022 · 19m · top-founders

How he sold his $1m business for $20m Last Week

Unat Bak · 11m spoken Nathan Latka · 6m spoken
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Serial entrepreneur Unat Bak joins Nathan Latka to break down how he developed TabSuite from an incubated prototype into an automated due diligence platform, ultimately securing an acquisition deal valued at over twenty million dollars with Pre-IPO Corporation.

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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Nathan holds 34.7% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Nathan as informed peer 6.9 Guest teaching 3.6 Guest disagreement 2.3 Nathan pushing back 5.0
05100:0010:001:38–4:07 · Nathan as informed peer 6/10 TabSuite Diligence Platform and Token-Based SaaS Model Nathan digs into TabSuite's monetization structure, quickly calculating monthly equivalents for annual tiers. Unat explains their token-based SaaS model and dynamic reporting capabilities.4:07–7:36 · Nathan as informed peer 8/10 Origins, Early Development, and First Paying Customer When Unat evades customer count metrics by citing millions of lines of generated code, Nathan bluntly rejects the vanity metric and demands paying customer figures. Unat quickly concedes and provides the real count of 70 paying customers.7:36–9:41 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Revenue Breakdown, Consulting Services, and Hub-and-Spoke Growth Nathan models out the annual run rate based on average deal sizes and presses whether total revenue cracked one million dollars. Unat admits they did not cross a million and explains the mix of consulting and hub-and-spoke contracts.9:44–12:12 · Nathan as informed peer 4/10 Founder 500 Event Announcement in Austin Following an event sponsor read, Nathan inquires about team composition and outsourced development. Unat describes working with an overseas offshore engineering team and managing product design himself.12:12–14:36 · Nathan as informed peer 8/10 Entrepreneur-in-Residence Origins and Corporate Ownership Structure Nathan cuts through vague descriptions of fund affiliation and equity to clarify that Unat was an EIR with upside rights rather than direct cap-table equity. Unat appreciates the clarification and acknowledges the corporate structure.14:37–17:01 · Nathan as informed peer 8/10 Deconstructing the Twenty Million Dollar Acquisition Terms Nathan deconstructs the reported headline acquisition figure of $20.8 million, separating actual cash paid from equity and earnouts. He benchmarks multiples against market standards for a sub-$1M revenue firm.17:01–19:13 · Nathan as informed peer 7/10 Acquirer Financial Backing, Earnout Details, and Profitability Nathan clarifies that the $5M cash portion is tied to milestone earnouts rather than an upfront wire, and verifies that payments are in fiat currency rather than illiquid crypto tokens before moving through the rapid-fire questions.1:38–4:07 · Guest teaching 5/10 TabSuite Diligence Platform and Token-Based SaaS Model Nathan digs into TabSuite's monetization structure, quickly calculating monthly equivalents for annual tiers. Unat explains their token-based SaaS model and dynamic reporting capabilities.4:07–7:36 · Guest teaching 3/10 Origins, Early Development, and First Paying Customer When Unat evades customer count metrics by citing millions of lines of generated code, Nathan bluntly rejects the vanity metric and demands paying customer figures. Unat quickly concedes and provides the real count of 70 paying customers.7:36–9:41 · Guest teaching 4/10 Revenue Breakdown, Consulting Services, and Hub-and-Spoke Growth Nathan models out the annual run rate based on average deal sizes and presses whether total revenue cracked one million dollars. Unat admits they did not cross a million and explains the mix of consulting and hub-and-spoke contracts.9:44–12:12 · Guest teaching 3/10 Founder 500 Event Announcement in Austin Following an event sponsor read, Nathan inquires about team composition and outsourced development. Unat describes working with an overseas offshore engineering team and managing product design himself.12:12–14:36 · Guest teaching 3/10 Entrepreneur-in-Residence Origins and Corporate Ownership Structure Nathan cuts through vague descriptions of fund affiliation and equity to clarify that Unat was an EIR with upside rights rather than direct cap-table equity. Unat appreciates the clarification and acknowledges the corporate structure.14:37–17:01 · Guest teaching 4/10 Deconstructing the Twenty Million Dollar Acquisition Terms Nathan deconstructs the reported headline acquisition figure of $20.8 million, separating actual cash paid from equity and earnouts. He benchmarks multiples against market standards for a sub-$1M revenue firm.17:01–19:13 · Guest teaching 3/10 Acquirer Financial Backing, Earnout Details, and Profitability Nathan clarifies that the $5M cash portion is tied to milestone earnouts rather than an upfront wire, and verifies that payments are in fiat currency rather than illiquid crypto tokens before moving through the rapid-fire questions.1:38–4:07 · Guest disagreement 1/10 TabSuite Diligence Platform and Token-Based SaaS Model Nathan digs into TabSuite's monetization structure, quickly calculating monthly equivalents for annual tiers. Unat explains their token-based SaaS model and dynamic reporting capabilities.4:07–7:36 · Guest disagreement 4/10 Origins, Early Development, and First Paying Customer When Unat evades customer count metrics by citing millions of lines of generated code, Nathan bluntly rejects the vanity metric and demands paying customer figures. Unat quickly concedes and provides the real count of 70 paying customers.7:36–9:41 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Revenue Breakdown, Consulting Services, and Hub-and-Spoke Growth Nathan models out the annual run rate based on average deal sizes and presses whether total revenue cracked one million dollars. Unat admits they did not cross a million and explains the mix of consulting and hub-and-spoke contracts.9:44–12:12 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Founder 500 Event Announcement in Austin Following an event sponsor read, Nathan inquires about team composition and outsourced development. Unat describes working with an overseas offshore engineering team and managing product design himself.12:12–14:36 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Entrepreneur-in-Residence Origins and Corporate Ownership Structure Nathan cuts through vague descriptions of fund affiliation and equity to clarify that Unat was an EIR with upside rights rather than direct cap-table equity. Unat appreciates the clarification and acknowledges the corporate structure.14:37–17:01 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Deconstructing the Twenty Million Dollar Acquisition Terms Nathan deconstructs the reported headline acquisition figure of $20.8 million, separating actual cash paid from equity and earnouts. He benchmarks multiples against market standards for a sub-$1M revenue firm.17:01–19:13 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Acquirer Financial Backing, Earnout Details, and Profitability Nathan clarifies that the $5M cash portion is tied to milestone earnouts rather than an upfront wire, and verifies that payments are in fiat currency rather than illiquid crypto tokens before moving through the rapid-fire questions.1:38–4:07 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 TabSuite Diligence Platform and Token-Based SaaS Model Nathan digs into TabSuite's monetization structure, quickly calculating monthly equivalents for annual tiers. Unat explains their token-based SaaS model and dynamic reporting capabilities.4:07–7:36 · Nathan pushing back 7/10 Origins, Early Development, and First Paying Customer When Unat evades customer count metrics by citing millions of lines of generated code, Nathan bluntly rejects the vanity metric and demands paying customer figures. Unat quickly concedes and provides the real count of 70 paying customers.7:36–9:41 · Nathan pushing back 5/10 Revenue Breakdown, Consulting Services, and Hub-and-Spoke Growth Nathan models out the annual run rate based on average deal sizes and presses whether total revenue cracked one million dollars. Unat admits they did not cross a million and explains the mix of consulting and hub-and-spoke contracts.9:44–12:12 · Nathan pushing back 2/10 Founder 500 Event Announcement in Austin Following an event sponsor read, Nathan inquires about team composition and outsourced development. Unat describes working with an overseas offshore engineering team and managing product design himself.12:12–14:36 · Nathan pushing back 7/10 Entrepreneur-in-Residence Origins and Corporate Ownership Structure Nathan cuts through vague descriptions of fund affiliation and equity to clarify that Unat was an EIR with upside rights rather than direct cap-table equity. Unat appreciates the clarification and acknowledges the corporate structure.14:37–17:01 · Nathan pushing back 7/10 Deconstructing the Twenty Million Dollar Acquisition Terms Nathan deconstructs the reported headline acquisition figure of $20.8 million, separating actual cash paid from equity and earnouts. He benchmarks multiples against market standards for a sub-$1M revenue firm.17:01–19:13 · Nathan pushing back 5/10 Acquirer Financial Backing, Earnout Details, and Profitability Nathan clarifies that the $5M cash portion is tied to milestone earnouts rather than an upfront wire, and verifies that payments are in fiat currency rather than illiquid crypto tokens before moving through the rapid-fire questions.

speaking balance: gold is Nathan, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Nathan 46.2% · guest 53.8%0:00 · Nathan 46.2% · guest 53.8%3:00 · Nathan 13.6% · guest 86.4%3:00 · Nathan 13.6% · guest 86.4%6:00 · Nathan 26.8% · guest 73.2%6:00 · Nathan 26.8% · guest 73.2%9:00 · Nathan 35% · guest 65%9:00 · Nathan 35% · guest 65%12:00 · Nathan 30.9% · guest 69.1%12:00 · Nathan 30.9% · guest 69.1%15:00 · Nathan 37.7% · guest 62.3%15:00 · Nathan 37.7% · guest 62.3%18:00 · Nathan 70.8% · guest 29.2%18:00 · Nathan 70.8% · guest 29.2%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 5:31 Deflecting customer count with code metrics

Unat pushes back on answering basic customer count questions by claiming user count is the wrong metric and substituting lines of ML code.

Hardest push from Nathan ▶ 6:11 Nathan rejects vanity metrics

Nathan interrupts and warns that listeners will roll their eyes at code metrics, forcing Unat to give the true paying customer count.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 3:02 Unat explains dynamic token assessment model

Unat outlines the technical mechanics of TabSuite's API token triggers and Zapier automation workflow to educate the host on their custom enterprise pricing.

Nathan holds their own ▶ 13:15 Nathan clarifies EIR upside structure

Nathan cuts through Unat's convoluted equity explanation, demonstrating his expertise in venture structuring by pinpointing profit upside versus cap table ownership.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicNathan as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementNathan pushing backWhy
TabSuite Diligence Platform and Token-Based SaaS Model 6512 Nathan digs into TabSuite's monetization structure, quickly calculating monthly equivalents for annual tiers. Unat explains their token-based SaaS model and dynamic reporting capabilities.
Origins, Early Development, and First Paying Customer 8347 When Unat evades customer count metrics by citing millions of lines of generated code, Nathan bluntly rejects the vanity metric and demands paying customer figures. Unat quickly concedes and provides the real count of 70 paying customers.
Revenue Breakdown, Consulting Services, and Hub-and-Spoke Growth 7425 Nathan models out the annual run rate based on average deal sizes and presses whether total revenue cracked one million dollars. Unat admits they did not cross a million and explains the mix of consulting and hub-and-spoke contracts.
Founder 500 Event Announcement in Austin 4312 Following an event sponsor read, Nathan inquires about team composition and outsourced development. Unat describes working with an overseas offshore engineering team and managing product design himself.
Entrepreneur-in-Residence Origins and Corporate Ownership Structure 8337 Nathan cuts through vague descriptions of fund affiliation and equity to clarify that Unat was an EIR with upside rights rather than direct cap-table equity. Unat appreciates the clarification and acknowledges the corporate structure.
Deconstructing the Twenty Million Dollar Acquisition Terms 8437 Nathan deconstructs the reported headline acquisition figure of $20.8 million, separating actual cash paid from equity and earnouts. He benchmarks multiples against market standards for a sub-$1M revenue firm.
Acquirer Financial Backing, Earnout Details, and Profitability 7325 Nathan clarifies that the $5M cash portion is tied to milestone earnouts rather than an upfront wire, and verifies that payments are in fiat currency rather than illiquid crypto tokens before moving through the rapid-fire questions.

Statements from this episode (13)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Bak: TabSuite served angel investors, VCs, SBA lenders, and government organizations
“We had everything from everyone from angel investors, single angel investors, all the way up to angel funds, all the way up to micro VCs, big VCs. We even had SBA lenders, government organizations”
Unat Bak Aug 22, 2022 ▶ 1:56
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Bak: TabSuite SaaS pricing ranged from $500 monthly to over $75k annually
“It was a SAS model ranged anywhere from 500 bucks a month, all the way up to sometimes 75 K a year or more.”
Unat Bak Aug 22, 2022 ▶ 3:40
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Bak: Early TabSuite customer paid $1,000 via check at a restaurant
“It was one of the first customers was a thousand dollars processed As a check handed over a restaurant table.”
Unat Bak Aug 22, 2022 ▶ 5:20
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Bak claims TabSuite's AI generated over 1 million lines of code
“I would say that we had over one million lines of iterated code written by the ML and AI system.”
Unat Bak Aug 22, 2022 ▶ 5:50
Disclosure
Bak: TabSuite had about 70 paying customers before its $20M acquisition
“I'd say about 70.”
Unat Bak Aug 22, 2022 ▶ 6:26
Disclosure
Bak: TabSuite pivoted to enterprise B2B after direct-to-founder sales failed
“And then we tried actually opening it up to founders. That didn't work well, so we went back to B to B and then we went ultra high, like B to B to E, I would say, or B to E to B, enterprise to business.”
Unat Bak Aug 22, 2022 ▶ 7:23
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Bak: TabSuite Consulting Revenue Reached $30K-$50K per Ticket
“The consulting revenue became almost 30 to 50,000 dollars per ticket from there.”
Unat Bak Aug 22, 2022 ▶ 8:18
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Bak admits TabSuite generated under $1M in revenue in 2021
“No, we didn't.”
Unat Bak Aug 22, 2022 ▶ 9:17
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Bak reused the same engineering contractor team for three startups
“All our engineering was done by the same team that worked with me on the last business and the one before that we grew that.”
Unat Bak Aug 22, 2022 ▶ 10:38
Disclosure
Bak built TabSuite as an EIR with $500K from an investment fund
“I was the entrepreneur in residence for a fund. And then I essentially built the product under them using 500 K from them.”
Unat Bak Aug 22, 2022 ▶ 12:32
Disclosure
Bak: TabSuite's $20M exit included $5M to $6M cash, plus equity
“So we, what I was saying is like, because we spent like roughly 500 to, you know, north of 500 K on physical like payments to either vendors, subscriptions, those actual capitalized costs the cash portion of the deal, you know, was roughly like the 10 to 12% r…”
Unat Bak Aug 22, 2022 ▶ 14:47
Disclosure
Bak: The reported $20.8M valuation was an MOU price, later adjusted
“Well, that was, yeah, the initial price, the final price got you know, that was the MOU pricing, but then we adjusted slightly to reach like terms more favorable to both parties.”
Unat Bak Aug 22, 2022 ▶ 16:41
Disclosure
Bak: TabSuite Was at Breakeven Prior to Acquisition
“Yeah, we were break even.”
Unat Bak Aug 22, 2022 ▶ 18:14
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