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“That also means that I own more of the company than most founders ever do, and I think that's beneficial in the context of, like, look, we will become a billion-dollar company, and the byproduct is that I'm gonna be super rich, and Jermaine's gonna be super ri…”

“So Jermaine and I would go, and then you'd recruit to the team, and so you got Free labor for the weekend. Then if everybody on the team had done what they were supposed to do, you won. You know. And so, we started winning.”

“But it was paid when paid. Meaning that you won the grant, but you had to spend 75,000 dollars to get the benefit of the 75,000. Yep. So it didn't really solve anything for us. We just had it.”