Dec 14, 2021 · 31m · startup-ideas

State of the Union: DAOing the X Games | Where It Happens

Sahil Bloom · 23m spoken Sam Schwartzstein · 4m spoken Greg Isenberg · 1m spoken
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Host Sahil Bloom outlines an ambitious strategic roadmap to acquire and revitalize the X Games through a hybrid private equity and DAO co-ownership model. Joined by sports innovation expert Sam Schwartzstein, he explores how Web3 governance, storytelling, and restructured prize pools can modernize the action sports franchise.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Greg holds 4.5% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Greg as informed peer 0.0 Guest teaching 0.3 Guest disagreement 0.0 Greg pushing back 0.0
05100:0010:0020:0030:000:02–3:04 · Greg as informed peer 0/10 Viral Reaction to the X Games DAO Pitch This is a solo monologue segment where Sahil Bloom recaps the viral weekend reaction to his X Games proposal. There is no host-guest debate or opposing dialogue.3:06–5:52 · Greg as informed peer 0/10 Sponsor Break: Four Sigmatic Mushroom Products This is a scripted sponsor read between Greg Isenberg and Sahil Bloom for Four Sigmatic and Eight Sleep. There is no adversarial debate or substantive interview dynamic.5:54–12:35 · Greg as informed peer 0/10 Structuring the Acquisition: The Hybrid DAO Model Sahil delivers a solo breakdown explaining why a purely decentralized DAO bid will fail with Disney/ESPN compared to a hybrid private equity partnership. With no co-host or guest present, interactive scores remain at zero.12:36–16:18 · Greg as informed peer 0/10 The Web3 Four-Minute Mile and Public Rollout Sahil continues his solo address framing the potential acquisition as a Roger Bannister four-minute mile milestone for Web3 before introducing guest Sam Schwartzstein.16:22–21:20 · Greg as informed peer 0/10 Media Innovation: Cultivating Athlete Personalities and Organic Integration Sam Schwartzstein shares practical sports marketing experience from the XFL while Sahil connects it to extreme sports media. The conversation is entirely collaborative brainstorming with zero pushback or friction.21:21–25:07 · Greg as informed peer 0/10 Transforming Economic Incentives and Prize Pools Sam educates on incentive structures by detailing XFL win bonuses and Dota 2 crowdfunded esports prize pools. Sahil readily agrees and incorporates Sam's domain knowledge into the thesis.25:07–28:43 · Greg as informed peer 0/10 Progressive Decentralization, Athlete Empowerment, and Public Execution Sahil synthesizes the discussion around progressive decentralization and athlete empowerment before wrapping up the episode with Sam. The interaction is fully aligned and supportive.0:02–3:04 · Guest teaching 0/10 Viral Reaction to the X Games DAO Pitch This is a solo monologue segment where Sahil Bloom recaps the viral weekend reaction to his X Games proposal. There is no host-guest debate or opposing dialogue.3:06–5:52 · Guest teaching 0/10 Sponsor Break: Four Sigmatic Mushroom Products This is a scripted sponsor read between Greg Isenberg and Sahil Bloom for Four Sigmatic and Eight Sleep. There is no adversarial debate or substantive interview dynamic.5:54–12:35 · Guest teaching 0/10 Structuring the Acquisition: The Hybrid DAO Model Sahil delivers a solo breakdown explaining why a purely decentralized DAO bid will fail with Disney/ESPN compared to a hybrid private equity partnership. With no co-host or guest present, interactive scores remain at zero.12:36–16:18 · Guest teaching 0/10 The Web3 Four-Minute Mile and Public Rollout Sahil continues his solo address framing the potential acquisition as a Roger Bannister four-minute mile milestone for Web3 before introducing guest Sam Schwartzstein.16:22–21:20 · Guest teaching 0/10 Media Innovation: Cultivating Athlete Personalities and Organic Integration Sam Schwartzstein shares practical sports marketing experience from the XFL while Sahil connects it to extreme sports media. The conversation is entirely collaborative brainstorming with zero pushback or friction.21:21–25:07 · Guest teaching 2/10 Transforming Economic Incentives and Prize Pools Sam educates on incentive structures by detailing XFL win bonuses and Dota 2 crowdfunded esports prize pools. Sahil readily agrees and incorporates Sam's domain knowledge into the thesis.25:07–28:43 · Guest teaching 0/10 Progressive Decentralization, Athlete Empowerment, and Public Execution Sahil synthesizes the discussion around progressive decentralization and athlete empowerment before wrapping up the episode with Sam. The interaction is fully aligned and supportive.0:02–3:04 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Viral Reaction to the X Games DAO Pitch This is a solo monologue segment where Sahil Bloom recaps the viral weekend reaction to his X Games proposal. There is no host-guest debate or opposing dialogue.3:06–5:52 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Sponsor Break: Four Sigmatic Mushroom Products This is a scripted sponsor read between Greg Isenberg and Sahil Bloom for Four Sigmatic and Eight Sleep. There is no adversarial debate or substantive interview dynamic.5:54–12:35 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Structuring the Acquisition: The Hybrid DAO Model Sahil delivers a solo breakdown explaining why a purely decentralized DAO bid will fail with Disney/ESPN compared to a hybrid private equity partnership. With no co-host or guest present, interactive scores remain at zero.12:36–16:18 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The Web3 Four-Minute Mile and Public Rollout Sahil continues his solo address framing the potential acquisition as a Roger Bannister four-minute mile milestone for Web3 before introducing guest Sam Schwartzstein.16:22–21:20 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Media Innovation: Cultivating Athlete Personalities and Organic Integration Sam Schwartzstein shares practical sports marketing experience from the XFL while Sahil connects it to extreme sports media. The conversation is entirely collaborative brainstorming with zero pushback or friction.21:21–25:07 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Transforming Economic Incentives and Prize Pools Sam educates on incentive structures by detailing XFL win bonuses and Dota 2 crowdfunded esports prize pools. Sahil readily agrees and incorporates Sam's domain knowledge into the thesis.25:07–28:43 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Progressive Decentralization, Athlete Empowerment, and Public Execution Sahil synthesizes the discussion around progressive decentralization and athlete empowerment before wrapping up the episode with Sam. The interaction is fully aligned and supportive.0:02–3:04 · Greg pushing back 0/10 Viral Reaction to the X Games DAO Pitch This is a solo monologue segment where Sahil Bloom recaps the viral weekend reaction to his X Games proposal. There is no host-guest debate or opposing dialogue.3:06–5:52 · Greg pushing back 0/10 Sponsor Break: Four Sigmatic Mushroom Products This is a scripted sponsor read between Greg Isenberg and Sahil Bloom for Four Sigmatic and Eight Sleep. There is no adversarial debate or substantive interview dynamic.5:54–12:35 · Greg pushing back 0/10 Structuring the Acquisition: The Hybrid DAO Model Sahil delivers a solo breakdown explaining why a purely decentralized DAO bid will fail with Disney/ESPN compared to a hybrid private equity partnership. With no co-host or guest present, interactive scores remain at zero.12:36–16:18 · Greg pushing back 0/10 The Web3 Four-Minute Mile and Public Rollout Sahil continues his solo address framing the potential acquisition as a Roger Bannister four-minute mile milestone for Web3 before introducing guest Sam Schwartzstein.16:22–21:20 · Greg pushing back 0/10 Media Innovation: Cultivating Athlete Personalities and Organic Integration Sam Schwartzstein shares practical sports marketing experience from the XFL while Sahil connects it to extreme sports media. The conversation is entirely collaborative brainstorming with zero pushback or friction.21:21–25:07 · Greg pushing back 0/10 Transforming Economic Incentives and Prize Pools Sam educates on incentive structures by detailing XFL win bonuses and Dota 2 crowdfunded esports prize pools. Sahil readily agrees and incorporates Sam's domain knowledge into the thesis.25:07–28:43 · Greg pushing back 0/10 Progressive Decentralization, Athlete Empowerment, and Public Execution Sahil synthesizes the discussion around progressive decentralization and athlete empowerment before wrapping up the episode with Sam. The interaction is fully aligned and supportive.

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 19:55 Mild contrast on modern extreme sports presentation

In an overwhelmingly collaborative discussion, Sam mildly shifts the focus by contrasting modern street skaters like Nyjah Huston with high-flying spectacle icons like Travis Pastrana.

Hardest push from Greg ▶ 20:16 Sahil refocuses on personality over trick technicality

Sahil redirects the point to argue that ESPN over-indexed on technical trick progression rather than building human storylines and relatable faces.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 23:23 Dota 2 community revenue split explanation

Sam provides specific operational data on how Dota 2 leverages in-game unit sales to generate massive prize pools relative to other esports ecosystems.

Greg holds their own ▶ 6:55 Private equity M&A reality check

Sahil leverages his 7-year private equity background to explain corporate asset acquisition complexities, legacy liabilities, and Disney/ESPN vendor vetting.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicGreg as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementGreg pushing backWhy
Viral Reaction to the X Games DAO Pitch 0000 This is a solo monologue segment where Sahil Bloom recaps the viral weekend reaction to his X Games proposal. There is no host-guest debate or opposing dialogue.
Sponsor Break: Four Sigmatic Mushroom Products 0000 This is a scripted sponsor read between Greg Isenberg and Sahil Bloom for Four Sigmatic and Eight Sleep. There is no adversarial debate or substantive interview dynamic.
Structuring the Acquisition: The Hybrid DAO Model 0000 Sahil delivers a solo breakdown explaining why a purely decentralized DAO bid will fail with Disney/ESPN compared to a hybrid private equity partnership. With no co-host or guest present, interactive scores remain at zero.
The Web3 Four-Minute Mile and Public Rollout 0000 Sahil continues his solo address framing the potential acquisition as a Roger Bannister four-minute mile milestone for Web3 before introducing guest Sam Schwartzstein.
Media Innovation: Cultivating Athlete Personalities and Organic Integration 0000 Sam Schwartzstein shares practical sports marketing experience from the XFL while Sahil connects it to extreme sports media. The conversation is entirely collaborative brainstorming with zero pushback or friction.
Transforming Economic Incentives and Prize Pools 0200 Sam educates on incentive structures by detailing XFL win bonuses and Dota 2 crowdfunded esports prize pools. Sahil readily agrees and incorporates Sam's domain knowledge into the thesis.
Progressive Decentralization, Athlete Empowerment, and Public Execution 0000 Sahil synthesizes the discussion around progressive decentralization and athlete empowerment before wrapping up the episode with Sam. The interaction is fully aligned and supportive.

Statements from this episode (11)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Red Bull and Monster Reached Out to Bloom About the X Games
“I'm getting messages from Red Bull, Rockstar, Monster Energy all these big agencies, huge investor groups reaching out with interest.”
Sahil Bloom Dec 14, 2021 ▶ 1:04
Disclosure
Bloom Pitched a Web3 DAO Plan to Buy the X Games
“So I pitched an idea, basically, to web three-ify the X Games, to go and acquire it, form a DAO to go and buy the X Games and then completely reimagine it, both in a web two sense with more traditional media, cultural moments creating the, like, drive to survi…”
Sahil Bloom Dec 14, 2021 ▶ 1:35
Opinion
A Full DAO Buyout of the X Games Is Not Viable
“In a, you know, fully Dow approach, you raise fifty million dollars or a hundred million dollars, whatever the number is, and you go and just buy the entirety of the X Games. Why do I think that's challenging here? As much as I love that as a cultural moment f…”
Sahil Bloom Dec 14, 2021 ▶ 7:44
Opinion
DAO Co-Ownership of a Major IP Franchise Is Huge for Web3
“I really do think that web three and having a Dow or something that looks like a Dow acquiring a share of a large operating business with the potential to be a billion dollar plus IP franchise is a huge, huge step forward for the space.”
Sahil Bloom Dec 14, 2021 ▶ 12:49
Assertion Partly supported
Vince McMahon Invested $500 Million to Restart the XFL
“Prior to COVID, Vince McMahon over at the WWE, I think he put five hundred million of his own dollars into restarting the XFL.”
Sahil Bloom Dec 14, 2021 ▶ 15:24
Opinion
'Drive to Survive' Succeeded by Highlighting Personalities Over Racing
“Drive to Survive was so great, not because of the production value or anything they were doing. It was because they put fucking faces Behind these cars.”
Sahil Bloom Dec 14, 2021 ▶ 19:01
Opinion
Extreme Sports Lacks Mainstream Cultural Icons Like Tony Hawk
“There has not been a really big face or name around extreme sports in a long time in the way that there used to be. When we were growing up, the Tony Hawk, the Sean White, they were like cultural icons, and you can go and recreate that by doing something uniqu…”
Sahil Bloom Dec 14, 2021 ▶ 19:38
Opinion
ESPN Focused X Games on Stunts Instead of Athlete Personalities
“I think Disney and ESPN have focused so much on the, like, Bigger, faster, higher, stronger of the X games rather than on the personalities and the people and creating a face to it.”
Sahil Bloom Dec 14, 2021 ▶ 20:18
Assertion Supported
Winning the X Games Only Pays Athletes $25,000 to $30,000
“Like the prize winnings right now are like 25 grand, 30 grand someone wins if they win the X Games.”
Sahil Bloom Dec 14, 2021 ▶ 22:23
Assertion Supported
Dota 2's The International Generates the Largest Esports Prize Pool
“The international for Dota two, they're a big tournament. They are, they do a really good job integrating units bought in the e-sports space in Dota gets a revenue split with the championship, the winner. So they're the largest prize pool in e-sports, not even…”
Sam Schwartzstein Dec 14, 2021 ▶ 23:55
Opinion
ESPN Broadcast Exposure No Longer Attracts X Games Athletes
“Hey, you should come compete in the X Games versus other action sports competitions because we're on ESPN. That doesn't work anymore.”
Sam Schwartzstein Dec 14, 2021 ▶ 24:34
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