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Nov 8, 2022 · 15m · startup-acquisition-stories

Startup Acquisition Stories with Michael Michelis, Co-founder of Intelistyle

Michael Miklas · 7m spoken Andrew Gazdecki · 6m spoken
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In this episode of SaaS Acquisition Stories, host Andrew Gazdecki interviews entrepreneur Michael Miklas about building, pricing, and successfully selling a micro-SaaS Shopify application on MicroAcquire. The discussion provides actionable guidance on market validation, realistic valuation multiples, infrastructure isolation, and navigating the acquisition process.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Andrew holds 43.5% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Andrew as informed peer 4.8 Guest teaching 1.7 Guest disagreement 0.0 Andrew pushing back 0.0
05100:0010:000:24–2:54 · Andrew as informed peer 4/10 Michael Miklas' Background and Entrepreneurial Journey Andrew warmly welcomes Michael and asks about his background. Andrew demonstrates platform expertise by describing how MicroAcquire routinely refines startup pitch descriptions to clarify value propositions for potential buyers.2:54–6:45 · Andrew as informed peer 6/10 The Decision to Exit and Avoid Split Focus Michael shares his experience of pricing his app too high initially before adjusting to standard ARR multiples. Andrew reinforces this with marketplace data, explaining that realistic valuations yield several times more buyer engagement.6:45–8:55 · Andrew as informed peer 6/10 Executing a Seamless Asset Handover and Technical Transfer Michael explains how setting up isolated infrastructure accounts from day one streamlined the handover. Andrew validates this insight, emphasizing the technical drag and trust erosion caused by commingled cloud environments.8:56–11:04 · Andrew as informed peer 5/10 Essential Acquisition Best Practices for Founders Andrew jokingly lists acquisition tips before prompting Michael, who highlights transparency and responsive communication. Andrew underscores the requirement of comprehensive P&Ls for larger mid-market transactions.11:04–13:16 · Andrew as informed peer 6/10 Market Validation, Go-To-Market, and Value of Competition Michael advises technical founders against building in markets without competitors. Andrew passionately echoes this point, detailing the immense financial and operational friction involved in attempting to change consumer habits and educate greenfield markets.13:17–14:36 · Andrew as informed peer 2/10 Desert Island Item: Surfing as Mindfulness The conversation concludes with lighthearted desert island banter where both host and guest bond over surfing as a form of phone-free mindfulness.0:24–2:54 · Guest teaching 1/10 Michael Miklas' Background and Entrepreneurial Journey Andrew warmly welcomes Michael and asks about his background. Andrew demonstrates platform expertise by describing how MicroAcquire routinely refines startup pitch descriptions to clarify value propositions for potential buyers.2:54–6:45 · Guest teaching 2/10 The Decision to Exit and Avoid Split Focus Michael shares his experience of pricing his app too high initially before adjusting to standard ARR multiples. Andrew reinforces this with marketplace data, explaining that realistic valuations yield several times more buyer engagement.6:45–8:55 · Guest teaching 2/10 Executing a Seamless Asset Handover and Technical Transfer Michael explains how setting up isolated infrastructure accounts from day one streamlined the handover. Andrew validates this insight, emphasizing the technical drag and trust erosion caused by commingled cloud environments.8:56–11:04 · Guest teaching 2/10 Essential Acquisition Best Practices for Founders Andrew jokingly lists acquisition tips before prompting Michael, who highlights transparency and responsive communication. Andrew underscores the requirement of comprehensive P&Ls for larger mid-market transactions.11:04–13:16 · Guest teaching 3/10 Market Validation, Go-To-Market, and Value of Competition Michael advises technical founders against building in markets without competitors. Andrew passionately echoes this point, detailing the immense financial and operational friction involved in attempting to change consumer habits and educate greenfield markets.13:17–14:36 · Guest teaching 0/10 Desert Island Item: Surfing as Mindfulness The conversation concludes with lighthearted desert island banter where both host and guest bond over surfing as a form of phone-free mindfulness.0:24–2:54 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Michael Miklas' Background and Entrepreneurial Journey Andrew warmly welcomes Michael and asks about his background. Andrew demonstrates platform expertise by describing how MicroAcquire routinely refines startup pitch descriptions to clarify value propositions for potential buyers.2:54–6:45 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The Decision to Exit and Avoid Split Focus Michael shares his experience of pricing his app too high initially before adjusting to standard ARR multiples. Andrew reinforces this with marketplace data, explaining that realistic valuations yield several times more buyer engagement.6:45–8:55 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Executing a Seamless Asset Handover and Technical Transfer Michael explains how setting up isolated infrastructure accounts from day one streamlined the handover. Andrew validates this insight, emphasizing the technical drag and trust erosion caused by commingled cloud environments.8:56–11:04 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Essential Acquisition Best Practices for Founders Andrew jokingly lists acquisition tips before prompting Michael, who highlights transparency and responsive communication. Andrew underscores the requirement of comprehensive P&Ls for larger mid-market transactions.11:04–13:16 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Market Validation, Go-To-Market, and Value of Competition Michael advises technical founders against building in markets without competitors. Andrew passionately echoes this point, detailing the immense financial and operational friction involved in attempting to change consumer habits and educate greenfield markets.13:17–14:36 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Desert Island Item: Surfing as Mindfulness The conversation concludes with lighthearted desert island banter where both host and guest bond over surfing as a form of phone-free mindfulness.0:24–2:54 · Andrew pushing back 0/10 Michael Miklas' Background and Entrepreneurial Journey Andrew warmly welcomes Michael and asks about his background. Andrew demonstrates platform expertise by describing how MicroAcquire routinely refines startup pitch descriptions to clarify value propositions for potential buyers.2:54–6:45 · Andrew pushing back 0/10 The Decision to Exit and Avoid Split Focus Michael shares his experience of pricing his app too high initially before adjusting to standard ARR multiples. Andrew reinforces this with marketplace data, explaining that realistic valuations yield several times more buyer engagement.6:45–8:55 · Andrew pushing back 0/10 Executing a Seamless Asset Handover and Technical Transfer Michael explains how setting up isolated infrastructure accounts from day one streamlined the handover. Andrew validates this insight, emphasizing the technical drag and trust erosion caused by commingled cloud environments.8:56–11:04 · Andrew pushing back 0/10 Essential Acquisition Best Practices for Founders Andrew jokingly lists acquisition tips before prompting Michael, who highlights transparency and responsive communication. Andrew underscores the requirement of comprehensive P&Ls for larger mid-market transactions.11:04–13:16 · Andrew pushing back 0/10 Market Validation, Go-To-Market, and Value of Competition Michael advises technical founders against building in markets without competitors. Andrew passionately echoes this point, detailing the immense financial and operational friction involved in attempting to change consumer habits and educate greenfield markets.13:17–14:36 · Andrew pushing back 0/10 Desert Island Item: Surfing as Mindfulness The conversation concludes with lighthearted desert island banter where both host and guest bond over surfing as a form of phone-free mindfulness.

speaking balance: gold is Andrew, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Andrew 35.5% · guest 64.5%0:00 · Andrew 35.5% · guest 64.5%3:00 · Andrew 24.1% · guest 75.9%3:00 · Andrew 24.1% · guest 75.9%6:00 · Andrew 58.6% · guest 41.4%6:00 · Andrew 58.6% · guest 41.4%9:00 · Andrew 41.2% · guest 58.8%9:00 · Andrew 41.2% · guest 58.8%12:00 · Andrew 64.3% · guest 35.7%12:00 · Andrew 64.3% · guest 35.7%15:00 · Andrew 0% · guest 100%15:00 · Andrew 0% · guest 100%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 11:45 Advising against building without existing competitors

Michael firmly cautions technical founders against pursuing technologically flashy ideas with no proven market or competitors, offering a direct pragmatic counter to the common urge to create entirely novel categories.

 Hardest push from Andrew ▶ 9:20 Host jokingly preempts the guest's tips

In a friendly exchange, Andrew playfully lists several seller best practices himself before catching himself and handing the question back to Michael.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 11:15 Engineers prioritizing tech over market validation

Michael educates technical listeners on the common pitfall of building elaborate technology without verifying customer demand or having a clear go-to-market strategy.

 Andrew holds their own ▶ 6:15 Marketplace analytics on valuation multiples

Andrew cites concrete platform statistics showing that startups priced within industry-standard valuation multiples receive two to four times more qualified buyer interest.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicAndrew as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementAndrew pushing backWhy
Michael Miklas' Background and Entrepreneurial Journey 4100 Andrew warmly welcomes Michael and asks about his background. Andrew demonstrates platform expertise by describing how MicroAcquire routinely refines startup pitch descriptions to clarify value propositions for potential buyers.
The Decision to Exit and Avoid Split Focus 6200 Michael shares his experience of pricing his app too high initially before adjusting to standard ARR multiples. Andrew reinforces this with marketplace data, explaining that realistic valuations yield several times more buyer engagement.
Executing a Seamless Asset Handover and Technical Transfer 6200 Michael explains how setting up isolated infrastructure accounts from day one streamlined the handover. Andrew validates this insight, emphasizing the technical drag and trust erosion caused by commingled cloud environments.
Essential Acquisition Best Practices for Founders 5200 Andrew jokingly lists acquisition tips before prompting Michael, who highlights transparency and responsive communication. Andrew underscores the requirement of comprehensive P&Ls for larger mid-market transactions.
Market Validation, Go-To-Market, and Value of Competition 6300 Michael advises technical founders against building in markets without competitors. Andrew passionately echoes this point, detailing the immense financial and operational friction involved in attempting to change consumer habits and educate greenfield markets.
Desert Island Item: Surfing as Mindfulness 2000 The conversation concludes with lighthearted desert island banter where both host and guest bond over surfing as a form of phone-free mindfulness.

Statements from this episode (7)

Disclosure
Miklas: Built a startup specifically to solve a problem and sell on MicroAcquire
“When I decided to build something for micro acquired, I had no idea what was going to be. So it was like, I'm going to spend some time finding a nice problem, solve it build something, and then in the end sold it.”
Michael Miklas Nov 8, 2022 ▶ 1:44
Disclosure
Gazdecki: MicroAcquire rewrites startup descriptions to clarify confusing value propositions
“You'd be surprised at how many startups we see at Microquire where we look at them and they're really good, but we're like, what do you do? What? So when you see the newsletter, actually, that's usually us. Kind of doing them some help in terms of clearly expl…”
Andrew Gazdecki Nov 8, 2022 ▶ 2:29
Disclosure
Miklas: Sold Shopify application for over 3x ARR on MicroAcquire
“At the end I sold for three something.”
Michael Miklas Nov 8, 2022 ▶ 5:09
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Gazdecki: Overpricing is top reason startups fail to sell on MicroAcquire
“Yeah, I would say that's probably the number one reason we see startups not sell on Microquire is when they just price way too high.”
Andrew Gazdecki Nov 8, 2022 ▶ 6:16
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Gazdecki: In-line startup valuations see 2x to 4x higher buyer interest
“If you're in line with those valuations, your buyer interest is based on our data. It's like two to three, four times higher.”
Andrew Gazdecki Nov 8, 2022 ▶ 6:36
Disclosure
Miklas: Isolated micro-SaaS infrastructure to simplify future acquisition handover
“From the beginning I had structured the entire infrastructure like that. So I had like separate AWS account, separate Shopify account separate hosting web hosting. So everything had a separate account. So I would just hand over the accounts to the person that …”
Michael Miklas Nov 8, 2022 ▶ 7:13
Disclosure
Miklas Refuses to Build Software Without Existing Market Competitors
“I would never go into building something without a competitor trying to educate the market.”
Michael Miklas Nov 8, 2022 ▶ 11:58
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