Nov 2, 2023 · 18m · starter-story
The Multipreneur: He’s Building A $10M Portfolio of Income Streams
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Morning Brew co-founder Alex Lieberman breaks down his personal holding company model, detailing how he validates, finances, and delegates cash-flowing bootstrap businesses like StoryArb while hiring dedicated CEOs to manage daily operations.
How this conversation actually went
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Pat as informed peer 2.3 Guest teaching 3.2 Guest disagreement 0.2 Pat pushing back 0.2
speaking balance: gold is Pat, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 13:00 Dismissing couch-based idea generation
Alex forcefully rejects passive brainstorming, asserting that sitting on a couch thinking of ideas is the absolute worst approach to entrepreneurship.
Hardest push from Pat ▶ 13:55 Probing holding company downsidesPat challenges the trendy narrative by directly asking what the downfall and real risks of personal holding companies are.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 10:20 Agency retention vs acquisition realitiesAlex educates on agency economics, pointing out that client acquisition is easy while retention is difficult, contrasting industry averages with his target metrics.
Pat holds their own ▶ 6:40 Pat shares personal seven-figure business proofPat demonstrates his firsthand authority by explaining how overcoming shiny object syndrome led him to build a million-dollar community platform.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Pat as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Pat pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| The Personal Holding Company Model and StoryArb | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Pat acts as an open-ended interviewer, prompting Alex to define personal holding companies and trace his career from Morning Brew to StoryArb. Alex delivers comprehensive narrative breakdowns without friction. | |
| Why Personal Holding Companies Are Booming | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Pat prompts Alex on the macro shift toward holding companies and inserts a personal case study showing his own journey building a seven-figure business. Alex outlines how lower startup costs allow cash-flowing lifestyle assets. | |
| Validating StoryArb: The Scrappy Launch Method | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Pat asks targeted operational questions regarding StoryArb's launch and financial structure. Alex details his scrappy tweet-validation strategy and agency economics. | |
| Defining True Product-Market Fit for Service Businesses | 2 | 4 | 0 | 0 | Pat probes how to measure product-market fit and structure CEO incentives. Alex educates on service retention metrics and equity distribution formulas. | |
| Ideation Framework and the Workflow Automation Opportunity | 2 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Pat asks about ideation frameworks and probes the potential downsides and risks of holdcos. Alex breaks down workflow automation opportunities and cautions against dilution and lack of focus. | |
| Launching Around Core Strengths: The Greg Eisenberg Case | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Pat asks where a beginner should start in building a holdco. Alex illustrates the principle of building around core strengths using Greg Eisenberg as an example. |
Statements from this episode (13)
Lieberman: Morning Brew generates over $75M annually with 200 employees
“Morning Brew is a two-hundred-person company that does more than seventy-five million dollars a year in revenue”
Lieberman plans a holdco with over 12 companies without acting as CEO
“My vision for my own personal holding company is over the next five to 10 years, I want to have a dozen plus companies that sit under me that I am the CEO of none of, but I am the co-founder and chairman of all of them.”
Lieberman targets $10M revenue and $3.5M profit for zero-capital StoryArb
“I put zero dollars into it, and our goal is to get to product market fit as quickly as possible, with the ultimate goal of having Storyarb be a ten million dollar business on its own, And profiting at least 3.5 million every year.”
Lieberman quit Wall Street for Morning Brew at 30,000 subscribers, zero revenue
“I quit my job when we had 30,000 subscribers. We had not made a dollar on the business, but I just had this sense of faith, and so did Austin, that we'd be able to figure out a way to make money as a business.”
Lieberman Targets Spending 5-10 Hours Weekly per Portfolio Company
“Hopefully we get to product market fit with the company by end of year, where ultimately I only spend five to 10 hours a week on the business. And that is kind of the time or investment trajectory that I hope to have with any business that I spin up.”
Lieberman: StoryArb Generates Roughly $1 Million in Annualized Revenue
“So we have 12 clients that are paying 7000 dollars a month. So 84,000 dollars, top line a month. It's roughly a million dollars a year in annualized revenue.”
Executive ghostwriting agencies typically run 30% to 35% profit margins, says Lieberman
“The profit margin on this type of business is roughly 30 to 35%.”
Lieberman: Ghostwriting agencies typically retain clients for 3 to 5 months
“And I've heard historically for ghostwriting agencies that when I talk to people who own ghostwriting agencies, they retain their average customer for like three to five months.”
Lieberman: StoryArb targets 10-month average client retention for product-market fit
“And so our goal is when we hit true product market fit, our average customer will have worked with us for on average, 10 months.”
Lieberman details CEO compensation: $100k-$200k salary, 10-50% equity, quarterly profit distributions
“Basically the range is a CEO, a salary between a hundred to 200,000 dollars a year, and then Their equity in the business will be somewhere between 10 and 50%. Whenever one of my businesses hits product market fit, every quarter thereafter, all of the profits …”
Next agency wave is AI and no-code workflow automation, predicts Lieberman
“I think the next big one will be basically like notion or air table or different forms of automation agencies using these no code tools like Zapier and make as well as using AI and offshore talent.”
Lieberman: HoldCo founders must treat themselves as a service product for CEOs
“When you have a personal holding company and you're the entrepreneur sitting at the top of it, you have to think of yourself as a product, meaning you are in service of the companies you launch and the CEOs that you bring on.”
Lieberman: Validate ideas incrementally by progressing from tweets to businesses
“My best idea for launch or for testing anything is like, I always start with a tweet. If there's interest in a tweet, I turn into a tweet thread. If there's interest in that, I turn into a newsletter. If there's interest in that, I turn into a video. The same …”