Song: There is no silver bullet for identity fraud
Rick Song · He thought his startup would fail—then grew to $100M ARR. | Rick Song, Co-founder of Persona · PMF Show · Aug 11, 2025 · at 2:23
Rick Song, co-founder of Persona, discusses his experience building identity and fraud infrastructure at Square prior to founding Persona.
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“A lot of these vendors would promise you some sort of silver bullet saying like, this is the, you know, one silver bullet to solve all your identity problems, fraud would disappear, you know, very, very extreme claims. But the reality for us as a business and how we had to build things was we had to incorporate all these various signals in, make them like kind of like tailor it such that it really makes sense for exactly our use case. And we'd have to do this for all these different types of products within Square as well.”
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