Song: Product-market fit only felt distinctly different when Persona reached 50 customers
Rick Song · He thought his startup would fail—then grew to $100M ARR. | Rick Song, Co-founder of Persona · PMF Show · Aug 11, 2025 · at 36:37
Rick Song is the co-founder and CEO of identity verification platform Persona, discussing the experience of scaling customer traction.
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“There's definitely a bit of that, but I will say, like, the only point I really felt, like, as a truly major jump on the product market fit questions, when I got one customer at 50, like, that actually felt, like, meaningfully different. After that, I wouldn't say, like, it's, like, changed dramatically.”
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