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Payroll companies will bring earned wage access in-house within 5-7 years

Tate Hackert · He made his first loan at 16. Now his fintech startup does $50M+ ARR—here’s how. | Tate Hackert, ... · PMF Show · Dec 2, 2024 · at 24:45

Tate Hackert, co-founder of Earned Wage Access platform ZayZoon, discusses whether payroll companies will eventually disintermediate third-party EWA providers.

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“And what you're saying is probably going to be the re reality in, in five, seven years.”

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Assertion Contradicted
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Disclosure
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“Half the time or more than half the time, I didn't even take collateral. And so a lot of it was just like pure trust. And I did over a quarter million dollars of these loans for an age of Call it 16, 17 to about 23.”
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Insight
Delayed pay cycles are effectively interest-free loans to employers
“So actually that employee is effectively giving an interest-free Loan to their employer in, in a really funny roundabout way.”
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Assertion Not checkable as stated
Multiple major payroll companies failed at building in-house wage access
“We know of very large payroll companies, multiple very large payroll companies that have tried to do this themselves have, you know, failed miserably with it.”
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Assertion Contradicted
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“Well, in reality, like how many employees actually use a self-service portal to look at their pay stub? It's about 10, 15%.”
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