Moz

“Certainly in 2013, for example, if you were to survey 10,000 SEOs and say, what software do you use and what do you recommend most Moz would have been number one. And by 2018, five years later, Moz was probably number three.”

“And, you know, we ended up writing Dozens of personal checks to people who'd been screwed at the company.”

“So I think at the end of the company's life, I still own, you know, Geraldine and I had. 18% of the company, 17%, something like that, which is very, very high for effect for a founder, especially a founder is no longer at the business.”

“But the combination of that feeling not listened to and poor performance Oh, that is just, you know, emotional and psychological killer.”

“If I had been more persuasive and a sort of better CEO and remain CEO and like done a great job, I think Moz could have been in a, in that position or a similar position, right?”

“If we could go back in time, and Moz failed completely, like it just, you know, kind of went to zero, never sold, didn't come worth anything, but all those relationships were preserved. Like everybody had stayed on the same page, fighting the good fight togeth…”