“I think that data can have a lot of value, but I think that by itself, it won't get you very far and I think that there's actually some really nice analogies you can make where for example, if you watch, like, an Olympic swimmer, swimmer race even if you had their strength just their practice at moving their own muscles to do the, to accomplish what they're accomplishing is, like, essential for being able to do it, or if you're trying to learn how to hit a tennis ball well, You won't be able to learn it by kind of watching the pros. Now, maybe these examples seem a little bit contrived because they're talking about like experts. The reason why I make those analogies is that we humans are experts at motor control, low level motor control already for a variety of things that our robots are not. And I think the robots actually need experience from their own body in order to learn. And so I think that it's really promising to be able to leverage that form of data, especially to expand on the robot's own experience, but it's really going to be essential to like actually Have the data from the robot itself, too.”
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