Karim Atiyeh is the co-founder and CTO of Ramp, discussing Ramp's methodology for generating marketing and creative content internally.
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Atiyeh: Ramp abandoned fine-tuning AI to wait for next-generation foundation models
“We did spend some time fine-tuning in many places, and then we very quickly found out that our time was worth way more and that we should just, like, wait, wait for, like, other generations of model.”
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Atiyeh: Ramp uses GPT-4o Mini for 90% of its production AI tasks
“Oh yeah, it's already in production, and for like, 90% of tasks that we're running, it's good enough, so that was a quick switch. And within a day, we can know very quickly, like, that, yes, this is, like, good enough, and we have the right evals.”
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Atiyeh: AI will not replace human taste in marketing
“The one thing that I think will remain for a very long time is, is having good taste. And at like at the end of the day, like if you are, even if you are working with the eyes and machines at, Someone needs to decide, like, is, is this good or not? And there's…”
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Atiyeh: Finance professionals care about control and accuracy, not AI branding
“Financial professionals care about the job being done and they care about the observability and having control and a lot more than they care. Like they don't actually care that much if they're using AI. They just want it to be like fast and accurate.”
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Atiyeh: Ramp evaluates SaaS vendors by interviewing their engineers on development velocity
“The way we
Pick the right vendors is almost like essentially interviewing them.
We primarily like to talk to the engineering teams.
we care a lot about the slope and the rate at which they're progressing, as opposed to whether they have gaps today or not.
And…”
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Atiyeh: Financial AI risk is minimal when tasks are well-constrained
“I honestly don't think there's that much risk if you constrain the problem well, right? Because at the end of the day, so like if you're trying to figure out like how to use AI to help you categorize transactions, it's not an open-ended question.”