Jan 12, 2021 · 26m · neon-show
Kunal Kapoor on building Ketto, the largest Crowdsourcing platform in India
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Actor and entrepreneur Kunal Kapoor discusses co-founding and scaling Ketto, India's leading crowdfunding platform, exploring its mission to democratize capital for medical and social emergencies. He shares strategic insights on building a profitable social enterprise, navigating early investor skepticism, and applying the lessons of creative disciplines to startup leadership.
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Siddhartha as informed peer 1.4 Guest teaching 1.8 Guest disagreement 0.0 Siddhartha pushing back 0.0
speaking balance: gold is Siddhartha, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 4:24 Challenging the premise of non-charitable Indians
In an otherwise completely harmonious discussion, Kunal explicitly pushes back against the conventional investor belief that Indian culture lacks charitable inclination.
Hardest push from Siddhartha ▶ 24:05 Clarifying international expansion focusThe host presses Kunal to clarify whether Ketto will expand into developed or developing markets, guiding the conversation to specific market dynamics.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 25:00 De-glamorizing the startup ecosystemKunal educates aspiring founders and investors by dismantling the myth of quick hundred-X returns and emphasizing the relentless grinding reality of entrepreneurship.
Siddhartha holds their own ▶ 7:36 Citing Viktor Frankl to frame purposeThe host demonstrates conceptual insight by citing Viktor Frankl's 'Man's Search for Meaning' to synthesize Kunal's persistence and motivations.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Siddhartha as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Siddhartha pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Introducing Guest Kunal Kapoor | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Siddharth introduces Kunal and asks what inspired the creation of Ketto. Kunal explains his background working with NGOs and the mission to democratize capital through technology in a friendly, collaborative tone. | |
| Navigating Early Obstacles and Investor Skepticism | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | The host asks about early challenges, and Kunal explains the difficulty of educating offline NGOs and overcoming investor skepticism regarding Indian philanthropy. | |
| Early Bootstrapping and Word-of-Mouth Momentum | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Siddharth brings in Viktor Frankl's philosophy on purpose to frame Kunal's journey. Kunal affirms this concept and discusses his focus on creating social impact through business. | |
| Current Scale and Transition into Healthcare Solutions | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | The host inquires about team size, funding, and exit strategies. Kunal explains Ketto's headcount growth and their broader pivot into medical and healthcare solutions. | |
| COVID-19 Relief and Community Empowerment | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Siddharth frames Ketto's value proposition around organizing disorganized markets and building trust. Kunal shares concrete examples of COVID-19 relief initiatives and community generosity. | |
| Monetization Strategy and Reaching Profitability | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | The host asks about Ketto's monetization and profitability, congratulating Kunal on achieving break-even. Kunal explains the transition to a zero-fee/tipping model and the leverage of celebrity status in tech. | |
| Parallels Between Acting and Entrepreneurship | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Siddharth asks about the comparison between acting and business breaks. Kunal explains the commonalities, emphasizing creativity, listener feedback, and handling rejection. | |
| The Power of Distribution and Social Networks | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Siddharth points out the importance of distribution and social media power. Kunal expands on this, detailing Ketto's rapid fundraising velocity and mission to reach underprivileged rural populations facing medical debt. | |
| Core Business Philosophy: Integrity and Duty | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Siddharth asks about mental models and advice for budding founders. Kunal stresses integrity, investor responsibility, and warns against romanticizing entrepreneurship as merely glamorous. |
Statements from this episode (16)
Kapoor: India had almost no crowdfunding platforms when Ketto launched
“In India, there were no crowdfunding platforms really.”
Kapoor: Indians are inherently charitable when given streamlined online giving options
“Our belief is that Indians are actually very charitable. It's just that we give in very different ways. And if we meet that something that was streamlined and we bought that online, then you would see a lot more Indians coming forward and doing charity.”
Kapoor: Ketto relied entirely on word-of-mouth marketing in its initial years
“Organically, we started getting a lot of traffic because a lot of people that were contributing on the platform were then actually going and telling other people about the platform. So there was no advertising or marketing or, you know, that we had to do in th…”
Kapoor: Ketto plans to expand into healthcare and medical products
“We're also looking at it as a medical solution company, health solution company, building products in that area.”
Kapoor: Ketto raised up to 130 crore rupees for COVID-19 relief
“We've raised over about a 125, 130 crores just for coronavirus you know, for the pandemic, for doctors, for migrants that wanted to go back home for the underprivileged that don't have access to food.”
Kapoor: Ketto shifted to zero-percent fees for self-started crowdfunding campaigns
“So right now we work on a fee but over the last couple of months, we've now moved into a zero percent fee for campaigns that you start on your own.”
Kapoor: Ketto broke even in mid-2019 and has remained profitable since
“A profitable venture. We broke even about, A year and a half back, and we've been profitable ever since.”
Kapoor: Investors and HNIs are highly responsive to celebrity startup founders
“Your accessibility to people that are important whether they're investors or whether they're NGOs or they're, you know, H and I's, it becomes much easier because I think you know, as an actor, when you call somebody and say, look, I'm trying to start something…”
Kapoor: Building a tech startup with a celebrity partner is like steroids
“Building a tech company is like bodybuilding. You know, it takes a lot of effort and hard work, but building a tech company with a celebrity is like bodybuilding on steroids. It just happens a lot quicker.”
Kapoor: Getting an acting break is simpler than startup breakthrough
“I think getting my first acting break was far simpler than you know, breaking through as an entrepreneur.”
Kapoor: Entrepreneurs must never blame audiences when a product fails
“You can't say that the audience is wrong. I mean, as an actor, when you do a movie, it releases on Friday, it may fail on Saturday. And if you turn around and say the audience is stupid, they don't understand this movie then you, you're not really listening to…”
Kapoor: Ketto now raises in a week what it once raised annually
“In the last three, three and a half years, we've gone, gone from how much we were raising in a year. We were raising that in a month. Now we're raising that in a week.”
Kapoor: Medical bills have pushed 200 million Indians into debt
“It's estimated that some two hundred million people have been pushed into debts only because of their medical bills.”
Kapoor: Ketto will target developing countries similar to India for expansion
“We're looking at countries that are very similar to India. I think those are the countries that have a lot of potential. So that's where we are going to focus, but right now our focus is, is primarily India.”