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Joe Lonsdale

Founder & Managing Partner, 8VC · 1 appearance on the record.

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He co-founded Palantir Technologies, as well as software platforms Addepar and OpenGov. Through his venture firm 8VC, he invests across defense technology, life sciences, and enterprise infrastructure.

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4 assertions · 2 opinions · 8 insights · 3 disclosures · every statement was checked. The predictions and assertions are the 4 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 1 is resolved, 1 is not yet assessed, and 2 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

The record, in short

What the tape says about how Joe argues and how the claims held up. Everything they said, and everything said about them, is in the tabs below.

Their most notable supported claim

Assertion Supported
Lonsdale: Early PayPal lost several million dollars monthly to fraud
“And this was like costing PayPal several million dollars a month. And a lot of our competitors went bankrupt.”
Joe Lonsdale Apr 26, 2024 ▶ 42:17 From PayPal Intern to Starting 4x Billion-Dollar Companies | Joe Lonsdale Interview

How they sound: not measured why? →

We measure speaking style by listening to the audio itself, and a fair number needs at least 2,000 words from one person on tape we have measured. There is too little of Joe Lonsdale on measured tape to publish a rate. This says nothing about how they speak.

Everything Joe Lonsdale said on My First Million that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Opinion
Lonsdale: US defense primes engage in innovation theater without real competition
“What happened to defense is all these companies consolidated the 19 nineties after the cold war spending went down. So they all merged and became like these giant primes. And these primes started acting a lot more like government agencies themselves, like not …”
Joe Lonsdale Apr 26, 2024 ▶ 22:16 From PayPal Intern to Starting 4x Billion-Dollar Companies | Joe Lonsdale Interview
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lonsdale: Clarium Exploited BLS Payroll Flaw with 75% Win Rate
“Kevin Harrington was our head of research. He's like genius, crazy physics, biology, interesting guys. He ended up being on the National Security Council later, like super interesting, smart guy. And he like had mapped out this thing I'd helped him with where …”
Joe Lonsdale Apr 26, 2024 ▶ 6:18 From PayPal Intern to Starting 4x Billion-Dollar Companies | Joe Lonsdale Interview
Insight
Lonsdale: Early-Stage Startups Must Hire Raw IQ Over Domain Expertise
“I'd much rather hire for talent and ambition and hard work than hire for expertise. So almost, and there's exceptions, right? So if you have a company that's already really working and already really scaling, and there's like a machine that has to be run, you …”
Joe Lonsdale Apr 26, 2024 ▶ 8:44 From PayPal Intern to Starting 4x Billion-Dollar Companies | Joe Lonsdale Interview
Assertion Not publicly verifiable
Lonsdale: Epirus shot down hardened drones 9.5x further than legacy primes
“We ended up shooting down the hardened drones nine and a half times further away than the other guys.”
Joe Lonsdale Apr 26, 2024 ▶ 25:42 From PayPal Intern to Starting 4x Billion-Dollar Companies | Joe Lonsdale Interview
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lonsdale: Palantir's software helped eliminate thousands of terrorists
“You know, we ended up limiting thousands of terrorists, so we were happy with the results.”
Joe Lonsdale Apr 26, 2024 ▶ 27:06 From PayPal Intern to Starting 4x Billion-Dollar Companies | Joe Lonsdale Interview
Disclosure
Palantir Founders Initially Asked Alex Karp to Pretend to Be CEO
“And so we actually convinced him to pretend to be CEO for a few years. So that Peter would stop trying to hire like a really like senior, like military guy, but then he was such a good CEO. Then he actually was, he's still CEO, 20 years later.”
Joe Lonsdale Apr 26, 2024 ▶ 50:44 From PayPal Intern to Starting 4x Billion-Dollar Companies | Joe Lonsdale Interview
Insight
Lonsdale: Incubator Multi-Company Models Are Far Less Likely to Succeed
“A lot of people like to incubators cause they're like, oh, I don't want to do one company. I'm going to do 10 companies. And like, by the way, that's like much less likely to have big success cause you're not focused.”
Joe Lonsdale Apr 26, 2024 ▶ 1:47 From PayPal Intern to Starting 4x Billion-Dollar Companies | Joe Lonsdale Interview
Opinion
Lonsdale: Copying Addepar Would Take $1B and 10 Years
“Like out of bar is the biggest freaking moat. We were talking earlier about guys like rocket internet will like go around copying things and annoy people. Like, good luck if you want to try to copy that. You gotta take a billion dollars in 10 years, you know? …”
Joe Lonsdale Apr 26, 2024 ▶ 13:43 From PayPal Intern to Starting 4x Billion-Dollar Companies | Joe Lonsdale Interview
Disclosure
Lonsdale: 8VC caps incubation equity under 50% to align co-founders
“Like when we start out the build program, our fund might take 20%, and our, and when my team and I might take 10%, so we might have 30 total, and like, maybe 35 or 40, but like, but we have something where it's less than half, and we're very generous with the …”
Joe Lonsdale Apr 26, 2024 ▶ 37:56 From PayPal Intern to Starting 4x Billion-Dollar Companies | Joe Lonsdale Interview
Insight
Evaluating Top Talent Requires Being Within Two Standard Deviations of Their Ability
“Is you can't really appreciate a talent unless you're within two standard deviations of it. So you think of talent as being on a normal curve for any typical, typical skill. It could be for math, could be for podcasts, whatever it is. And like, so you kind of …”
Joe Lonsdale Apr 26, 2024 ▶ 43:18 From PayPal Intern to Starting 4x Billion-Dollar Companies | Joe Lonsdale Interview
Insight
Lonsdale: Blended Reasons Mean Founders Have Not Found Core Strategy
“Usually there's like one reason that dominates everything else. And that's just the nature of the world is that when something's successful, It's kind of like the power law rule, right? Like in a venture capital, like fund, even there tends to be one thing tha…”
Joe Lonsdale Apr 26, 2024 ▶ 0:56 From PayPal Intern to Starting 4x Billion-Dollar Companies | Joe Lonsdale Interview
Insight
Lonsdale: Young founders should partner with people holding unfair advantages
“One of the unfair secrets of business is the more success you have, The more it's like a platform for a bigger thing you can do next time. And that's just the way it is... And that's why, like, I think when you're young partner with someone else who already ha…”
Joe Lonsdale Apr 26, 2024 ▶ 20:01 From PayPal Intern to Starting 4x Billion-Dollar Companies | Joe Lonsdale Interview
Insight
Lonsdale: AI-Augmented BPO for Local Governments Could Generate Tens of Billions
“I think a BPO, a business process outsourcing thing for certain tasks for local government that are augmented by AI could be like just a huge business to basically help them with this. And I, right now it's not a standard way they work, but I could see if you …”
Joe Lonsdale Apr 26, 2024 ▶ 29:56 From PayPal Intern to Starting 4x Billion-Dollar Companies | Joe Lonsdale Interview
Insight
Lonsdale: Founders cannot lead with substance alone when approaching institutions
“I get a lot of young people maybe underestimate the substance is important, but it's, you can't lead with substance because substance is not taken seriously. So you have to have the substance to win, but you have to have all the trappings of why they're taking…”
Joe Lonsdale Apr 26, 2024 ▶ 50:16 From PayPal Intern to Starting 4x Billion-Dollar Companies | Joe Lonsdale Interview
Insight
Lonsdale: Early commercial partnerships often cap startup upside and hinder iteration
“A lot of startups, when you're getting going, you want to like, you get really excited about some partnership on the table and you think it's going to really help you. But a lot of partnerships will cap your upside. A lot of partnerships will limit your abilit…”
Joe Lonsdale Apr 26, 2024 ▶ 51:42 From PayPal Intern to Starting 4x Billion-Dollar Companies | Joe Lonsdale Interview
Disclosure
Peter Thiel Bet $100M Per Trade on Clarium's Payroll Flaw Discovery
“And you're like, literally personally have like a few million dollars riding on it at a time as early my twenties. These guys, you know, Peter probably had a hundred million dollars riding on it every time.”
Joe Lonsdale Apr 26, 2024 ▶ 7:15 From PayPal Intern to Starting 4x Billion-Dollar Companies | Joe Lonsdale Interview
Assertion Supported
Lonsdale: Early PayPal lost several million dollars monthly to fraud
“And this was like costing PayPal several million dollars a month. And a lot of our competitors went bankrupt.”
Joe Lonsdale Apr 26, 2024 ▶ 42:17 From PayPal Intern to Starting 4x Billion-Dollar Companies | Joe Lonsdale Interview

The other half of the tape: Joe Lonsdale's own voice is left out of every number here. Other people bring the name up 66 times in 16 episodes on My First Million. 4 statements on the record name them. every mention, with the transcript →

Who brings them up most Shaan Puri 54Sam Parr 10Codie Sanchez 1Austin Rief 1

Statements about Joe Lonsdale, by other people (4)

Insight
Thiel's lesson: Double down on compounding winners instead of starting anew
“One of the lessons I learned from Peter Thiel is that you should be really, really careful putting effort into new things. Almost always, it's a better idea to put money into your main compounding thing. That's got a lot more room to run. Like there's more are…”
Shaan Puri Apr 12, 2024 ▶ 17:26 I Spent 7 Days With The Richest Men In Texas
Assertion Contradicted
Puri: Joe Lonsdale has founded more billion-dollar companies than anyone in America
“It was Joe Lonsdale, a billionaire who started more billion dollar companies than anyone else in America.”
Shaan Puri Feb 17, 2025 ▶ 53:40 What’s truly going on inside DOGE?
Assertion Partly supported
Puri: Billionaires have invested $200M into University of Austin
“Billionaires have put two hundred million into funding that”
Shaan Puri Dec 18, 2024 ▶ 52:30 The #1 Most Underrated Quality in an Entrepreneur
Disclosure
Sanchez: In talks with UT and UATX for educational program
“I'm in talks right now with University of Texas and University of Austin, which is Joe Lonsdale's, ah, company, to do a program with them where we can push back on what I think is awful education that's taught at most institutions.”
Codie Sanchez Oct 26, 2023 ▶ 1:30:00 4 Profitable Business Ideas That Men Are Sleeping On | ft. Codie Sanchez (#512)

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2024 47 mentions in 9 episodes 5 per episode
2023 1 mention in 1 episode
2021 2 mentions in 1 episode

Appearances (1)

EpisodeDateSpeaking time
From PayPal Intern to Starting 4x Billion-Dollar Companies | Joe Lonsdale Interview Apr 26, 2024 38m
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