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Matze: No Off-The-Shelf LLM Is Designed For Sales Conversations

Evgeny Matze · #2292 AI Automation that makes cold calls · Jan 8, 2026 · at 15:49

Rezora co-founder Evgeny Matze explains why base models like ChatGPT and Claude fail at conversational phone sales without specialized fine-tuning.

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“The main thing is there's no LLM, there's no chat GPT, there's no cloud that is specifically meant to respond for sales or human-like conversations.”

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