May 23, 2016 · 26m · mad

Predictive Analytics for B2B Marketing // Amanda Kahlow, 6Sense [FirstMark's Data Driven]

Amanda Kahlow · 22m spoken Matt Turck · 1m spoken
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In this Data Driven NYC talk and Q&A session, 6Sense Founder and CEO Amanda Kahlow demonstrates how predictive analytics and intent data transform modern B2B sales and marketing by detecting invisible in-market buyers. She illustrates the platform's power through massive ROI case studies at Cisco, NetSuite, and BlueJeans while sharing insights from her entrepreneurial journey.

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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Matt holds 6.5% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Matt as informed peer 0.8 Guest teaching 0.8 Guest disagreement 0.4 Matt pushing back 0.4
05100:0010:0020:000:08–3:52 · Matt as informed peer 0/10 Personal Story: Perseverance and Female Empowerment In this solo presentation segment, Amanda shares her personal founder journey, facing 66 VC rejections, and her purpose to inspire women entrepreneurs. The host does not speak, so all host scores are zero.3:52–7:37 · Matt as informed peer 0/10 The Failure of Traditional B2B Lead Generation Amanda presents a monologue criticizing traditional B2B lead generation forms and linear buyer journeys. While she forcefully rejects industry standards, the dynamic is non-interactive as the host remains silent.7:37–11:13 · Matt as informed peer 0/10 What CMOs Want: Timing In-Market Buyers Amanda continues her keynote detailing how 6Sense aggregates anonymous intent signals and search data to identify buyers. The host is silent during this monologue.11:13–14:16 · Matt as informed peer 0/10 The Future of B2B Marketing and Automation Amanda presents on automation and AI taking human intervention out of B2B marketing before sharing metrics from Cisco and BlueJeans. The host does not participate in this segment.14:16–18:12 · Matt as informed peer 4/10 Case Studies: Exactly and NetSuite Insights Matt enters the conversation to ask probing technical questions regarding model training feedback loops and B2B attribution challenges. He gently pushes back on claims by pointing out that sales reps often claim credit for deals rather than predictive software.18:12–20:56 · Matt as informed peer 1/10 Q&A: Amanda's Founder Journey and Raising Capital Matt asks a warm founder journey question about Amanda's transition from services to SaaS. Amanda recounts her fundraising struggles and hiring her YC co-founders in a supportive atmosphere.20:56–24:21 · Matt as informed peer 1/10 Q&A: Search Data and Target B2B Criteria Audience Q&A begins with Amanda bluntly declining to explain proprietary search data acquisition before educating an audience member on the structural differences between B2B and B2C sales cycles. Matt acts solely as a moderator.24:21–26:38 · Matt as informed peer 0/10 Q&A: Data Partnerships and Event Conclusion Amanda finishes answering a question about data partnerships with publishers like Forbes before Matt intervenes to close the session due to time constraints. Matt provides logistical housekeeping for the event.0:08–3:52 · Guest teaching 0/10 Personal Story: Perseverance and Female Empowerment In this solo presentation segment, Amanda shares her personal founder journey, facing 66 VC rejections, and her purpose to inspire women entrepreneurs. The host does not speak, so all host scores are zero.3:52–7:37 · Guest teaching 0/10 The Failure of Traditional B2B Lead Generation Amanda presents a monologue criticizing traditional B2B lead generation forms and linear buyer journeys. While she forcefully rejects industry standards, the dynamic is non-interactive as the host remains silent.7:37–11:13 · Guest teaching 0/10 What CMOs Want: Timing In-Market Buyers Amanda continues her keynote detailing how 6Sense aggregates anonymous intent signals and search data to identify buyers. The host is silent during this monologue.11:13–14:16 · Guest teaching 0/10 The Future of B2B Marketing and Automation Amanda presents on automation and AI taking human intervention out of B2B marketing before sharing metrics from Cisco and BlueJeans. The host does not participate in this segment.14:16–18:12 · Guest teaching 2/10 Case Studies: Exactly and NetSuite Insights Matt enters the conversation to ask probing technical questions regarding model training feedback loops and B2B attribution challenges. He gently pushes back on claims by pointing out that sales reps often claim credit for deals rather than predictive software.18:12–20:56 · Guest teaching 1/10 Q&A: Amanda's Founder Journey and Raising Capital Matt asks a warm founder journey question about Amanda's transition from services to SaaS. Amanda recounts her fundraising struggles and hiring her YC co-founders in a supportive atmosphere.20:56–24:21 · Guest teaching 3/10 Q&A: Search Data and Target B2B Criteria Audience Q&A begins with Amanda bluntly declining to explain proprietary search data acquisition before educating an audience member on the structural differences between B2B and B2C sales cycles. Matt acts solely as a moderator.24:21–26:38 · Guest teaching 0/10 Q&A: Data Partnerships and Event Conclusion Amanda finishes answering a question about data partnerships with publishers like Forbes before Matt intervenes to close the session due to time constraints. Matt provides logistical housekeeping for the event.0:08–3:52 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Personal Story: Perseverance and Female Empowerment In this solo presentation segment, Amanda shares her personal founder journey, facing 66 VC rejections, and her purpose to inspire women entrepreneurs. The host does not speak, so all host scores are zero.3:52–7:37 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Failure of Traditional B2B Lead Generation Amanda presents a monologue criticizing traditional B2B lead generation forms and linear buyer journeys. While she forcefully rejects industry standards, the dynamic is non-interactive as the host remains silent.7:37–11:13 · Guest disagreement 0/10 What CMOs Want: Timing In-Market Buyers Amanda continues her keynote detailing how 6Sense aggregates anonymous intent signals and search data to identify buyers. The host is silent during this monologue.11:13–14:16 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The Future of B2B Marketing and Automation Amanda presents on automation and AI taking human intervention out of B2B marketing before sharing metrics from Cisco and BlueJeans. The host does not participate in this segment.14:16–18:12 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Case Studies: Exactly and NetSuite Insights Matt enters the conversation to ask probing technical questions regarding model training feedback loops and B2B attribution challenges. He gently pushes back on claims by pointing out that sales reps often claim credit for deals rather than predictive software.18:12–20:56 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Q&A: Amanda's Founder Journey and Raising Capital Matt asks a warm founder journey question about Amanda's transition from services to SaaS. Amanda recounts her fundraising struggles and hiring her YC co-founders in a supportive atmosphere.20:56–24:21 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Q&A: Search Data and Target B2B Criteria Audience Q&A begins with Amanda bluntly declining to explain proprietary search data acquisition before educating an audience member on the structural differences between B2B and B2C sales cycles. Matt acts solely as a moderator.24:21–26:38 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Q&A: Data Partnerships and Event Conclusion Amanda finishes answering a question about data partnerships with publishers like Forbes before Matt intervenes to close the session due to time constraints. Matt provides logistical housekeeping for the event.0:08–3:52 · Matt pushing back 0/10 Personal Story: Perseverance and Female Empowerment In this solo presentation segment, Amanda shares her personal founder journey, facing 66 VC rejections, and her purpose to inspire women entrepreneurs. The host does not speak, so all host scores are zero.3:52–7:37 · Matt pushing back 0/10 The Failure of Traditional B2B Lead Generation Amanda presents a monologue criticizing traditional B2B lead generation forms and linear buyer journeys. While she forcefully rejects industry standards, the dynamic is non-interactive as the host remains silent.7:37–11:13 · Matt pushing back 0/10 What CMOs Want: Timing In-Market Buyers Amanda continues her keynote detailing how 6Sense aggregates anonymous intent signals and search data to identify buyers. The host is silent during this monologue.11:13–14:16 · Matt pushing back 0/10 The Future of B2B Marketing and Automation Amanda presents on automation and AI taking human intervention out of B2B marketing before sharing metrics from Cisco and BlueJeans. The host does not participate in this segment.14:16–18:12 · Matt pushing back 3/10 Case Studies: Exactly and NetSuite Insights Matt enters the conversation to ask probing technical questions regarding model training feedback loops and B2B attribution challenges. He gently pushes back on claims by pointing out that sales reps often claim credit for deals rather than predictive software.18:12–20:56 · Matt pushing back 0/10 Q&A: Amanda's Founder Journey and Raising Capital Matt asks a warm founder journey question about Amanda's transition from services to SaaS. Amanda recounts her fundraising struggles and hiring her YC co-founders in a supportive atmosphere.20:56–24:21 · Matt pushing back 0/10 Q&A: Search Data and Target B2B Criteria Audience Q&A begins with Amanda bluntly declining to explain proprietary search data acquisition before educating an audience member on the structural differences between B2B and B2C sales cycles. Matt acts solely as a moderator.24:21–26:38 · Matt pushing back 0/10 Q&A: Data Partnerships and Event Conclusion Amanda finishes answering a question about data partnerships with publishers like Forbes before Matt intervenes to close the session due to time constraints. Matt provides logistical housekeeping for the event.

speaking balance: gold is Matt, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Matt 0.1% · guest 99.9%0:00 · Matt 0.1% · guest 99.9%3:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%3:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%6:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%6:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%9:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%9:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%12:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%12:00 · Matt 0% · guest 100%15:00 · Matt 23.8% · guest 76.2%15:00 · Matt 23.8% · guest 76.2%18:00 · Matt 9% · guest 91%18:00 · Matt 9% · guest 91%21:00 · Matt 0.4% · guest 99.6%21:00 · Matt 0.4% · guest 99.6%24:00 · Matt 28.5% · guest 71.5%24:00 · Matt 28.5% · guest 71.5%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 21:03 Direct refusal to disclose proprietary data sources

Amanda directly shuts down an audience query regarding how 6Sense accesses search data, asserting it as a trade secret and key competitive differentiator.

Hardest push from Matt ▶ 16:59 Matt challenges 6Sense on attribution skepticism

Matt pushes back on claims of predictive accuracy by highlighting the multi-factor reality of B2B sales cycles and how account executives dispute attribution credit.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 22:38 Amanda explains why B2B lead scoring models are flawed

Amanda educates the audience on why individual lead scoring fails in B2B environments, contrasting anonymous multi-buyer committee behaviors with individual B2C transactions.

Matt holds his own ▶ 16:59 Matt demonstrates understanding of B2B sales attribution complexity

Matt displays sharp industry knowledge by asking how 6Sense handles model feedback loops and isolates software predictions from salesperson influence.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicMatt as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementMatt pushing backWhy
Personal Story: Perseverance and Female Empowerment 0000 In this solo presentation segment, Amanda shares her personal founder journey, facing 66 VC rejections, and her purpose to inspire women entrepreneurs. The host does not speak, so all host scores are zero.
The Failure of Traditional B2B Lead Generation 0010 Amanda presents a monologue criticizing traditional B2B lead generation forms and linear buyer journeys. While she forcefully rejects industry standards, the dynamic is non-interactive as the host remains silent.
What CMOs Want: Timing In-Market Buyers 0000 Amanda continues her keynote detailing how 6Sense aggregates anonymous intent signals and search data to identify buyers. The host is silent during this monologue.
The Future of B2B Marketing and Automation 0000 Amanda presents on automation and AI taking human intervention out of B2B marketing before sharing metrics from Cisco and BlueJeans. The host does not participate in this segment.
Case Studies: Exactly and NetSuite Insights 4203 Matt enters the conversation to ask probing technical questions regarding model training feedback loops and B2B attribution challenges. He gently pushes back on claims by pointing out that sales reps often claim credit for deals rather than predictive software.
Q&A: Amanda's Founder Journey and Raising Capital 1100 Matt asks a warm founder journey question about Amanda's transition from services to SaaS. Amanda recounts her fundraising struggles and hiring her YC co-founders in a supportive atmosphere.
Q&A: Search Data and Target B2B Criteria 1320 Audience Q&A begins with Amanda bluntly declining to explain proprietary search data acquisition before educating an audience member on the structural differences between B2B and B2C sales cycles. Matt acts solely as a moderator.
Q&A: Data Partnerships and Event Conclusion 0000 Amanda finishes answering a question about data partnerships with publishers like Forbes before Matt intervenes to close the session due to time constraints. Matt provides logistical housekeeping for the event.

Statements from this episode (18)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Only three out of 350 CEOs at a recent conference were women
“I was at a conference yesterday with about 350 CEOs, and there happened to be maybe three women in the room.”
Amanda Kahlow May 23, 2016 ▶ 0:20
Disclosure
Amanda Kahlow received 66 VC rejections before securing funding for 6sense
“I had a 66 VC nose before I got my yes. I made it to 22 all-partner meetings.”
Amanda Kahlow May 23, 2016 ▶ 0:35
Assertion Not checkable as stated
B2B buyers leave much richer digital traces than B2C consumers
“And the beauty for B to B is that the research That you're doing in a B to B environment, as you're going across these multiple screens, and you have multiple buyers across these buying committees, they're leaving a far richer digital trace than anything B to …”
Amanda Kahlow May 23, 2016 ▶ 3:02
Insight
Traditional B2B lead generation is broken because buyers despise forms
“The entire premise of B to B marketing and lead generation is broken. Because it's based on something that buyers inherently are object to doing. They do not want to fill out these forms.”
Amanda Kahlow May 23, 2016 ▶ 4:52
Disclosure
6sense processes 90 billion behavioral signals to predict buyer intent
“We're processing ninety billion rows of behavioral signals to predict precisely when a company has a need for the products that our customers are selling.”
Amanda Kahlow May 23, 2016 ▶ 5:38
Assertion Not checkable as stated
When asked, 25 CMOs agreed their top intelligence need is buying timing
“I was in a room with about 25 CMOs recently, and this is one of my most favorite moments. The question was asked, what was the number one thing that you would like, that you want to know of your prospects? The number one thing that CMOs answered was timing.”
Amanda Kahlow May 23, 2016 ▶ 7:38
Insight
Triggering click-to-chat only for active buyers yields high ROI
“If you're a B to B company, you have tens of millions of visitors coming to your site, and you pop up click to chat on everyone, it's going to cost you way too much money. But if you pop it up when somebody's actually in a buying mode, and they're actually rea…”
Amanda Kahlow May 23, 2016 ▶ 10:25
Opinion
Traditional B2B sales territories are arbitrary assignments that ignore buyer needs
“What are territory lists? Random, arbitrary assignments by some sales leader that has nothing to do with what your buyers need or want, right?”
Amanda Kahlow May 23, 2016 ▶ 10:50
Opinion
The traditional concept of B2B marketing leads is dead
“The concept of leads are dead”
Amanda Kahlow May 23, 2016 ▶ 12:11
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Cisco's marketing-to-sales conversion rate jumped from 5% to 71% using 6sense
“They bond from a five percent marketing to sales conversion rate to 71%.”
Amanda Kahlow May 23, 2016 ▶ 12:27
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Cisco's predictive pipeline grew from $2 billion to $7 billion
“They started with two billion dollars in pipeline from predictive to now seven billion dollars in pipeline”
Amanda Kahlow May 23, 2016 ▶ 12:32
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Cisco's average deal opportunity grew from $10,000 to $50,000
“The opportunities that come through predictive are five times greater the size because they're getting into the deal early. So what was previously a 10,000 dollar opportunity size is now on average a 50,000 dollar opportunity size.”
Amanda Kahlow May 23, 2016 ▶ 12:37
Assertion Not checkable as stated
BlueJeans reduced required sales touches to qualify leads from 33 to 10
“They found not only a four X lift in their opportunities, but one of the really interesting things is the sales product It usually took one in 33 touches for an inside salesperson to qualify a lead. Now it takes them one in 10 with the six cent scores.”
Amanda Kahlow May 23, 2016 ▶ 13:25
Insight
Intent data delivers the largest impact for companies lacking top brand recognition
“So looking at those signals, and for them, and for companies that aren't first in their market, so people don't think blue jeans when they think video conferencing, this can have the biggest impact.”
Amanda Kahlow May 23, 2016 ▶ 13:53
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Xactly derived 86% of its pre-IPO business from 6sense predictions
“The quarter before they went public, 86% of their business came from our purchase stage predictions.”
Amanda Kahlow May 23, 2016 ▶ 14:22
Assertion Not checkable as stated
6sense intent data generated a $1.7 million Anheuser-Busch deal for Xactly
“Well, sure enough, they're in a sales cycle with their competitor, and it turned into the third largest deal in the company's history, 1.7 million dollars.”
Amanda Kahlow May 23, 2016 ▶ 15:16
Assertion Not checkable as stated
6sense co-founders built the third largest Hadoop instance worldwide
“They're a Y Combinator company, built the third largest instance of Hadoop in the world, a real time predictive ad serving tool.”
Amanda Kahlow May 23, 2016 ▶ 20:18
Assertion Not checkable as stated
6sense claims access to about 40% of all web search data
“We don't claim to have all search data across the web. We have access to about 40% and how we do it is a huge competitive differentiation for us.”
Amanda Kahlow May 23, 2016 ▶ 21:11
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