SaaS

35 statements across 25 episodes · 11 bullish · 8 bearish · 23 people on the record · first statement Sep 8, 2022 by Julie Zhuo · across every show →

Everything said about SaaS, oldest first

Sep 8, 2022
Insight
Zhuo: SaaS founders cannot rely on intuition like consumer founders can
“And I think for SAS companies in particular, You might have done the job at one company, but you probably didn't do it at like, you know, 20 or 50 companies, and you're probably selling to like a lot of companies, so it's just way more critical for you to spen…”
Julie Zhuo Sep 8, 2022 ▶ 53:09 Overcome imposter syndrome and accelerate your career | Julie Zhuo (Sundial, Facebook)
Sep 29, 2022 negative
Insight
Traditional funnel models fail SaaS by ignoring retention and pre-discovery pain
“Recurring revenue businesses, you cannot think about, you know, marketing and growth and the business overall as ending an acquisition. Otherwise you're not in business anymore. And the vast, vast majority of these models Don't take post acquisition, retention…”
Georgiana Laudi (Gia) Sep 29, 2022 ▶ 8:08 Customer-led growth | Georgiana Laudi (Forget The Funnel)
Oct 9, 2022
Insight
Hockenmaier: Simple SaaS growth models require only acquisition, retention, and monetization
“If you're modeling a relatively simple SaaS business, those are the only core building blocks you need.”
Dan Hockenmaier Oct 9, 2022 ▶ 8:13 Developing a growth model + marketplace growth strategy | Dan Hockenmaier
Oct 9, 2022
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hockenmaier: Marketplace take rates are 10-20% versus 2-3% in SaaS
“This is why like the effective commission of a marketplace, often, 1015, 20% is much higher than the effective commission of a SaaS business in the two to three percent range.”
Dan Hockenmaier Oct 9, 2022 ▶ 47:34 Developing a growth model + marketplace growth strategy | Dan Hockenmaier
Oct 9, 2022
Insight
Hockenmaier: Expanding a marketplace to SaaS is easier than the reverse
“So broadly, I will say, I think it's easier for a marketplace to go SaaS than it is the other direction.”
Dan Hockenmaier Oct 9, 2022 ▶ 47:17 Developing a growth model + marketplace growth strategy | Dan Hockenmaier
Dec 4, 2022 neutral
Assertion Supported
Mansuri: 100% commission-only sales roles do not exist in SaaS
“It doesn't exist today in SaaS. It does exist in other places. It just doesn't exist in SaaS really.”
Sahil Mansuri Dec 4, 2022 ▶ 1:14:39 How to hit revenue targets in a recession | Sahil Mansuri (Bravado)
Dec 4, 2022 neutral
Assertion Supported
Mansuri: A SaaS sales rep's quota is typically five times their OTE
“The ratio between your OTE and your quota is typically five to one. Your quota is usually five X. And this comes from this idea that your cost for a sales rep fully loaded should be about 20%.”
Sahil Mansuri Dec 4, 2022 ▶ 24:41 How to hit revenue targets in a recession | Sahil Mansuri (Bravado)
Dec 8, 2022 positive
Insight
SaaS annual plans should always be merchandised as a monthly equivalent
“When you take like let's say you have a monthly subscription in your SaaS business, and you also have an annual subscription, you need to showcase your annual subscription as a monthly price. Like if it's like, for instance, it is 29 99 if you actually take an…”
Madhavan Ramanujam Dec 8, 2022 ▶ 1:21:48 The art and science of pricing | Madhavan Ramanujam (Monetizing Innovation, Simon-Kucher)
Dec 8, 2022 negative
Insight
Unconditional price discounting permanently resets customer baseline pricing within six months
“If you just discounted price guess what's going to happen? Six months later, that's going to be your new price. So before you price discount, Think about what value can you exchange to actually justify that price discount. So you're taking value away in a de-f…”
Madhavan Ramanujam Dec 8, 2022 ▶ 1:29:30 The art and science of pricing | Madhavan Ramanujam (Monetizing Innovation, Simon-Kucher)
Jan 12, 2023 positive
Insight
Ionita: Free individual tiers pay off if upmarket expansion paths exist
“If you know that you have a bridge to move up market, then giving up the long tail of individual users can be very worthwhile.”
Naomi Ionita Jan 12, 2023 ▶ 32:41 How to price your product | Naomi Ionita (Menlo Ventures)
Jan 12, 2023
Assertion Partly supported
Only 5% of SaaS companies use pure usage-based pricing
“A small fliver, less than 10%, around roughly five percent have just pure natural escalator, kind of usage-based model. The vast majority have a hybrid approach.”
Naomi Ionita Jan 12, 2023 ▶ 46:16 How to price your product | Naomi Ionita (Menlo Ventures)
Jan 12, 2023
Insight
Only one or two features drive most SaaS conversions
“It's very rare that people convert you know, equally across all of those features are typically one or two that are the main carrots for conversion.”
Naomi Ionita Jan 12, 2023 ▶ 20:57 How to price your product | Naomi Ionita (Menlo Ventures)
Feb 19, 2023
Assertion Supported
Campbell: SaaS startups face 16x more competitors than a decade ago
“Over the past decade, if you're building in tech, particularly in like SaaS or subscriptions, you now have 16 times the number of competitors if you started a business today than if you did 10 years ago.”
Patrick Campbell Feb 19, 2023 ▶ 47:46 10 lessons on bootstrapping a $200m business | Patrick Campbell (ProfitWell)
Feb 19, 2023 positive
Assertion Supported
Campbell: Value metric pricing reduces SaaS churn 20-25% and doubles expansion revenue
“Churn tends to be about 20 to 25% lower because people will downgrade, but they're using, you don't get this, like I'm paying for so much and end up not doing, you know, not using a lot of it. It's like, oh, I'm using eight seats this month. I'm going to downg…”
Patrick Campbell Feb 19, 2023 ▶ 21:44 10 lessons on bootstrapping a $200m business | Patrick Campbell (ProfitWell)
Oct 5, 2023
Insight
Balfour: Annual growth targets are made or broken in the first six months
“To make your year, it's really about the first six months and the things you accomplish in those first six months. And the reason is, is for quite a few products. Most products, this isn't true for all products, is that the buying cycle or the decision window …”
Brian Balfour Oct 5, 2023 ▶ 35:40 Brian Balfour: 10 lessons on career, growth, and life
Oct 5, 2023
Insight
Balfour: SaaS target customers are only in-market once every few years
“For most SaaS products, your persona, your target customer, it's actually only in market for that once every fewish years or so. And as a result, what most people end up focusing on is just trying to capture that small sliver of those that are in market. And t…”
Brian Balfour Oct 5, 2023 ▶ 59:22 Brian Balfour: 10 lessons on career, growth, and life
Oct 26, 2023
Insight
Adams: SaaS Companies Must Resist Adding Pricing Tiers and Add-Ons
“The number one thing I would say is keep it simple. It's simple. It's so tempting to like with us, for example, like a lot of SaaS products, you know, have add-ons... With products, tiers, add ons, tiering in the add on. You know, people can't understand their…”
Paul Adams Oct 26, 2023 ▶ 53:31 What AI means for your product strategy | Paul Adams (CPO of Intercom)
Dec 17, 2023 positive
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Fried: Software industry will swing back from SaaS toward buy-once software
“The idea behind once is David and I kind of feel like, we're probably a bit early here, but we feel like there's going to be a bit of a turn back towards the way things were. Pendulums always swing.”
Jason Fried Dec 17, 2023 ▶ 1:23:33 Jason Fried challenges your thinking on fundraising, goals, growth, and more
Feb 18, 2024 neutral
Insight
Lemkin: In sales-led SaaS, half of headcount stays in sales across scale
“Like if you have a sales led motion, half your company is going to be in sales at ten million error, half your company's gonna be in sales at 50, half your company's gonna be in sales at a hundred. It's one of the tough parts of the software model is that ther…”
Jason Lemkin Feb 18, 2024 ▶ 1:00:19 Building a world-class sales org | Jason Lemkin (SaaStr)
Mar 21, 2024 positive
Insight
Gerber: PR validates early-stage B2B startups for buyers fearing vendor shutdown
“And that ties back to when you look like at a SAS company or something, and they're making decisions, having that validation, I think, and that credibility goes a really long way. Especially for a company that might be early stage, you know, they've raised a l…”
Emilie Gerber Mar 21, 2024 ▶ 6:16 The ultimate guide to PR | Emilie Gerber (founder of Six Eastern)
May 30, 2024 negative
Opinion
Dixon: SaaS sales currently face the most customer indecision across industries
“I think that it might just be that SaaS is the place where we're seeing the most indecision these days, you know, but It does not suggest it's kind of an easy target, but it is rife with indecision these days.”
Matt Dixon May 30, 2024 ▶ 45:27 The surprising truth about what closes deals: Insights from 2.5m sales conversations | Matt Dixon
Sep 19, 2024 negative
Opinion
Schwartz: Most SaaS Companies Should Avoid Investing in SEO
“I don't think SaaS in general should do SEO”
Eli Schwartz Sep 19, 2024 ▶ 24:02 Rethinking SEO in the age of AI | Eli Schwartz (SEO advisor, author)
Sep 19, 2024 negative
Insight
Schwartz: Technical SEO Is a Waste of Time for Small SaaS Websites
“If you have a hundred page website that sells a SaaS tool, technical SEO is probably going to be less important. So spending money In time and technical SEO would be a waste of time.”
Eli Schwartz Sep 19, 2024 ▶ 1:35:24 Rethinking SEO in the age of AI | Eli Schwartz (SEO advisor, author)
Nov 7, 2024 positive
Insight
SaaS Products Should Collect More Onboarding Info to Personalize Guidance
“Collecting the right information, and you usually want to collect more information than most people think you do in your signup flow. If you can then leverage that to personalize the guidance, and this is for a SaaS product, the guidance that someone can get w…”
Archie Abrams Nov 7, 2024 ▶ 23:54 Breaking the rules of growth: Why Shopify bans KPIs, optimizes for churn, and prioritizes intuition
Dec 8, 2024 bearish
Insight
Godin: SaaS Products Without Built-In Network Effects Almost Certainly Fail
“If you don't build the network effect into what you are making, You are almost certainly going to fail.”
Seth Godin Dec 8, 2024 ▶ 15:14 Seth Godin's best tactics for building remarkable products, strategies, brands and more
Dec 29, 2024
Insight
Clowes: Business rules, not UIs, drive enterprise SaaS lock-in
“The real thing, which is staring everybody in the face, is it's all about the business rules. Like, that is what drives the lock-in.”
Shaun Clowes Dec 29, 2024 ▶ 26:30 Why great AI products are all about the data | Shaun Clowes (CPO at Confluent)
Mar 6, 2025 bullish
Insight
Zhao: The software market is shifting from vertical SaaS back to bundling
“Now we're sort of at the tail end of SAS. There's so many verticalized SAS average company to use like almost a hundred tools. It's not. It's kind of madness, right? So there's more, the market shifting towards more of a bundling approach. And with AI, and wit…”
Ivan Zhao Mar 6, 2025 ▶ 1:02:08 Notion's lost years, near collapse during COVID, staying small to move fast, building horizontal
May 25, 2025 neutral
Insight
AI value creation breaks traditional SaaS and usage pricing models
“There's a value creation aspect to using AI that doesn't kind of neatly fit the mold of SaaS-based pricing or seed-based pricing or even usage-based pricing”
Krithika Shankarraman May 25, 2025 ▶ 8:48 Growth tactics from OpenAI and Stripe’s first marketer | Krithika Shankarraman
Jul 17, 2025 bullish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Shipper: Non-programmers will soon run software businesses via new formats
“While I will definitely maintain that we're not anywhere close to anybody being able to like build a conventional SaaS app with zero programming knowledge, aside from just like a demo, there are going to be other forms of software. One of my things is like sof…”
Dan Shipper Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 56:40 The AI-native startup: 5 products, 7-figure revenue, 100% AI-written code. | Dan Shipper (Every)
Jul 27, 2025 positive
Insight
Ramanujam: Autonomous AI software can capture 25% to 50% of created value
“In the classic SaaS situation, we used to say if you can charge 10 to 20% of the value, that's actually great. But in AI, you can actually charge 25 to 50% because it is autonomous.”
Madhavan Ramanujam Jul 27, 2025 ▶ 43:55 Pricing your AI product: Lessons from 400+ companies and 50 unicorns | Madhavan Ramanujam
Oct 26, 2025 negative
Insight
In-house software cost savings rarely justify the lost engineering focus
“The savings and costs that there might be in replacing a vendor tool by something you build in-house is probably not worth it in the mental bandwidth that you've lost and the amount of the team's sort of technical focus that's being taken away.”
Dhanji R. Prasanna Oct 26, 2025 ▶ 41:05 How Block is becoming the most AI-native enterprise in the world | Dhanji R. Prasanna
Jan 25, 2026 negative
Opinion
Cohen: Any monthly churn rate over 3% is terrible
“Anything about three percent per month cancellation is, is, is terrible.”
Jason Cohen Jan 25, 2026 ▶ 13:41 The surprising advice from a founder who built 2 unicorns | Jason Cohen (WP Engine)
Jan 25, 2026
Insight
Cohen: Monthly churn grows exponentially and inevitably overtakes linear marketing acquisition
“Cancellations automatically grow as you grow, even if you're doing everything right, but marketing doesn't. Marketing grows only as fast as you can improve marketing. We all know that's quite hard. Actually it's linear. It's hard to find new channels that aren…”
Jason Cohen Jan 25, 2026 ▶ 15:32 The surprising advice from a founder who built 2 unicorns | Jason Cohen (WP Engine)
May 2, 2026 bullish
Opinion
Schoening: The SaaSpocalypse is greatly exaggerated
“So I think to some degree, the SaaSpocalypse is greatly exaggerated.”
Max Schoening May 2, 2026 ▶ 26:52 AI era skills: Why cultivating agency matters more than job titles | Max Schoening (Notion)
May 24, 2026 positive
Insight
Shipper: User desktop agents preserve SaaS margins by offloading token costs
“When I run the agent on that website, I'm using my tokens. I'm not using the vendors tokens. I'm not using the apps tokens. And so it puts SAS back in this place where, yeah, you want to make it friendly for an agent and everyone's got a CLI.”
Dan Shipper May 24, 2026 ▶ 24:25 AI predictions: Job markets, Codex beats Claude, and the death of org charts | Dan Shipper
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