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Opinion
Zach Lloyd: Warp's coding agent outperforms both Cursor and Windsurf
“Warp can code, and Warp code is at a level that's, like, comparable to cloud code. I think it's actually better than, like, Cursor's agent. It's probably better than Windsurf since they aren't, they don't have Sonnet for.”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 21:37 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Prediction Partly held up
Zach Lloyd: Warp's coding agent will likely top the TBench benchmark
“Basically, state of the art on SweetBench, I think we will, again, I don't want to be quoted here, we can maybe edit this later, but like, we'll probably be number one or close to it on TBench also, which is the terminal benchmark, which really we should be th…”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 1:44 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Zach Lloyd: Multi-threaded AI agents will not scale on local machines
“But if our thesis is that multi-threading is going to become really important, It's going to not be doable on a single machine. Like if you didn't like our memory usage before, you're not going to like it when we're running, you know, 10 10 agents. It's just n…”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 30:20 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Insight
Dax Reed: Adding code editors to terminal AI tools is a trap.
“Almost immediately we're like, oh, we should build edit functionality. Like we should let you edit files in here, but that's a trap because that is like an infinite rabbit hole of work. And I've seen this with warp already where I think they have an editor in …”
Dax Reed Aug 5, 2025 ▶ 9:02 ⚡️OpenCode: Claude Code but Open Source, with Any Model, and frontier TUI - with Dax Reed (@thdxr)
Insight
Lloyd: Pure usage-based pricing psychologically encourages users to ration AI tools
“The reason we haven't done the usage based, just the pure usage base is it feels psychologically like it's like in your face of like, it encourages like rationing the usage in a way that I think is, doesn't let people get the most out of it.”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 40:45 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Disclosure
Zach Lloyd: Anthropic, not OpenAI, is Warp's primary model of choice
“ChatDBT isn't even the model of choice at this point. It's anthropic for us.”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 6:16 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Insight
Holmes: Agentic Tool Calls Do Not Map Well to Go Structs
“Cause I know that more of the complaints about our backend are the fact that we leaned on Golang than the fact that we leaned on GraphQL. Which is surprising. Mostly because the way we model everything with agentic tool calls doesn't match to go structs very w…”
Ben Holmes Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 45:11 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Assertion Supported
Zach Lloyd: Claude Code in Ghostty cannot support editable diffs
“There's no way for cloud code running in ghosty, let's say to have an editable diff.”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 26:46 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Opinion
Lloyd: The best agent interface is similar to traditional terminal UX
“Our thesis here is that the best interface for launching agents is actually pretty similar to what traditionally has been like a terminal UX. You know, you want this like grouped output. You want the ability to seamlessly run commands.”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 7:31 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Zach Lloyd: Anthropic might launch a desktop agent harness like Warp
“I think even hearing the cloud code folks on your podcast, like I would not be surprised if Anthropic like launched a thing that looks a little bit more like warp where it's like a harness for running a whole bunch of different cloud codes, but it's an actual …”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 33:56 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Insight
Lloyd: Warp builds native agent because tool-calling integration goes deeper
“The main reason is like, we feel like the integration can go way, way deeper. If warp itself is the thing driving the interaction primarily because of like the, Type of tool calling that we can do, like, directly in Warp.”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 5:09 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Insight
Lloyd: Centralized admin controls are the primary demand from enterprise buyers
“Having the team concept also makes it easier for us to do enterprise-wide sort of like admin controls, which is honestly the, probably the biggest thing that they want is they want, like, they want to enforce that everyone's on a team, that they sign in with S…”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 42:45 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Assertion Supported
Lloyd: Warp does not store users' code, only vector embeddings
“We don't store any code. I know there's some coding tools that are actually like storing your code base. We just store vectors for semantic search.”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 10:36 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Holmes: Devs will eventually rarely keep Warp open except for prompting
“And then eventually I may just check the management pane and my desktop notifications and rarely have warp open at all. Except for inputting prompts. So it feels like a more progressive interface since we own everything beyond like the CLI itself.”
Ben Holmes Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 25:30 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Disclosure
Zach Lloyd: Warp 2.0 launches as an agentic development environment
“We are today, I think as this podcast comes out, releasing warp two, which, you know, we're positioning ourselves as being no longer just a terminal, but an agentic development environment.”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 0:50 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Zach Lloyd: Warp's revenue is growing 5% to 15% week-over-week
“Our revenue since the beginning of the year is growing, like, depends on the week, between five to 15% every week, and so, like, it's actually a pretty fast revenue ramp.”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 36:55 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Zach Lloyd: Warp has almost 600,000 active users
“You know, it's like almost 600,000 active users on Warp right now.”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 36:49 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Assertion Supported
Zach Lloyd: Warp rules differ from Cursor rules by being cloud-synced
“The biggest difference that these are is that these are sort of like cloud synced. And so you can sort of use these wherever you log in. They're sort of shareable. Across the team. And so like, this is our version of cursor's rules.”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 19:08 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Disclosure
Lloyd: Warp cannot support on-premises enterprise configurations
“We can't support like an on-prem type configuration, which some people want.”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 44:02 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Disclosure
Lloyd: Warp Will Likely Build a Headless CLI Tool for CI/CD
“I would say like our likely path forward on that is like, we will probably at some point make a warp CLI app where if you really want to run it headless, like you want to run it in CI.”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 27:32 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Disclosure
Lloyd: Warp expands Pro and Turbo request limits and adds credit top-ups
“The two plans were the pro plan and the turbo plan. Pro was at a thousand, that's going to 2500 requests. The turbo plan is going from 3000 to 10,000 requests. And then we're introducing usage based pricing.”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 38:36 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Disclosure
Zach Lloyd: Warp introduced Agent Profiles for granular autonomy control
“We've introduced the ability to let that go fully agentically now. So You know, there's, like, a new set of, we call it, like, an agent profile, where you can, at the level of, like, running commands, or executing diffs, or doing code search, you can control t…”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 4:00 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Assertion Supported
Lloyd: Warp translates natural language in any REPL session
“So if you're doing like work in Node or Python, Postgres, MySQL, it works in any REPL and it's a it's a pretty differentiated and cool feature of Warp.”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 21:22 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Zach Lloyd: Warp relies on over one million lines of Rust code
“Warp is over a million lines of Rust code, and this is like, up until very recently, this type of agentic stuff just did not work in Warp because it's not built on any public UI framework, like we have our own internal UI framework, and so it really needs to u…”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 13:58 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Disclosure
Zach Lloyd: Warp will likely support the Cursor rule format directly
“I think we will also, by the way, probably just literally support the cursor rule format.”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 19:21 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Disclosure
Zach Lloyd: Warp's next feature will likely be in-tool agent code review
“I think honestly, like the next thing that we'll probably be building is like basically a way in warp of code reviewing what the agent is produced.”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 26:56 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
Disclosure
Lloyd: Warp uses WhisperFlow for speech-to-text API
“We're using whisper flow, which is another startup, which has got like a really good API around doing speech for text.”
Zach Lloyd Jun 25, 2025 ▶ 11:33 ⚡️Warp 2.0: the Agentic Development Environment - Zach Lloyd and Ben Holmes
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