“The foundation of evals is error analysis. So like looking at your data and doing data analysis on your traces. So a lot of people, when we say data literacy, that can mean, that can sound scary, but it can come from a lot of different places. It can be, you can, you know, it's not just data scientists and stuff like that. It's like, People that have worked in finance. People that have worked as business analysts. A lot of people have some basic data literacy, you know, and like, you know, if you know how to use a pivot table, you can go a really long ways to do some basic data analysis. And there's a lot of like latent capabilities for people to get involved with like being part of evals. It's not like there's some, you know, the bar doesn't have to be so high as being a data scientist, let's say.”
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