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Michał Zawalski: RL Scaling Gains Require Over 50 Million Transitions

Michał Zawalski · [NeurIPS Best Paper] 1000 Layer Networks for Self-Supervised RL — Kevin Wang et al, Princeton · Dec 31, 2025 · at 17:06

Co-author Michał Zawalski explains the data scale requirements necessary to observe massive performance leaps in their deep RL research.

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“Going back to our paper, if you look at the plots, we only see this, like, huge performance increase When we cross, like, 50 millions of transitions gap.”

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The claim, plainly

In the authors' RL scaling paper, significant performance increases only appear after crossing a threshold of 50 million environment transitions.

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Assessment

The claim is partially true. In the authors' NeurIPS 2025 paper ('1000 Layer Networks for Self-Supervised RL'), dramatic performance increases for deep architectures in complex environments (such as Humanoid U-Maze) indeed manifest only after extended training beyond roughly 50 million environment transitions. However, the claim overgeneralizes this finding across the paper's plots: for simpler and intermediate benchmark tasks (such as Ant Big Maze and Arm Push Easy), learning curves demonstrate substantial performance increases starting earlier, between 10 million and 25 million transitions.

Published learning curves in Figure 1, 5, and 6 of arXiv:2503.14858 show performance jumps emerging between 10M and 25M environment transitions on simpler tasks, while complex environments require 50M+ transitions.
The episode timestamped '(00:16:23) Data is the Real Enabler: The 50M Transition Threshold' on the Latent Space podcast highlights this data scaling threshold for unlocking deep RL capabilities.

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