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Kyutai's Bidirectional Moshi Architecture Has Not Scaled to Large LLMs

Kwindla Hultman Kramer · Voice AI Masterclass — Kwindla Hultman Kramer and swyx · May 6, 2025 · at 14:25

Kwindla Hultman Kramer, CEO of Daily, discusses open-source voice AI research and model architectures.

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“The, that Kyutai Moshi model you mentioned, which was my favorite academic paper last year, is a step towards a truly bi-directional streaming in both directions, thinking all the time, LLM. That work has not been kind of scaled up to, you know, large LLM size.”

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