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Hykes: Agent Dev Environment Solutions Without Local Execution Won't Become Ubiquitous

Solomon Hykes · [AIEWF Preview] Containing Agent Chaos — Solomon Hykes · Jun 3, 2025 · at 20:40

Solomon Hykes, creator of Docker and founder of Dagger, discusses standardizing developer environments for AI coding agents and warns against repeating cloud-only PaaS and CI/CD mistakes.

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“If the answer is no, you're not, you're solving part of the problem, but you're not fully solving the problem of standardizing dev environments for coding agents. It's not, not going to stand the test of time because it will, it cannot be ubiquitous. It'll be a great commercial solution. You'll make lots of money with it, but it's not going to be ubiquitous.”

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