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Zhang: Meta Failed at Training MoE Models for Llama Series

Yining Zhang · DeepSeek V3, SGLang, and the state of Open Model Inference in 2025 (Quantization, MoEs, Pricing) · Jan 19, 2025 · at 14:53

Yining Zhang explains why Meta's Llama models remained dense architectures rather than adopting Mixture of Experts.

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“The reason why Lama open-sourced the MOE model, because I think they tried to train our MOE model, but they failed. So that, that's why they didn't open source MOE mode for Lama series.”

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