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Packer: Persistent memory is fundamentally required to scale sleep-time compute

Charles Packer · Sleep-Time Compute — Letta AI (Charles Packer, Charlie Snell, Kevin Lin) · Apr 21, 2025 · at 32:44

Charles Packer, co-founder of Letta, discusses architectural prerequisites for building and scaling stateful agentic AI systems.

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“I think with the stateful agents thing in particular, I think one interesting thing about scaling sleep time compute is you need memory for it. You just fundamentally cannot do this sort of scaling without memory. Memory is like, you know, kind of table stakes if you want to do this sort of thing.”

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