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Pliny: AI labs lack enough researchers to explore latent space alone

Pliny the Liberator · ⚡️Jailbreaking AGI: Pliny the Liberator & John V on Red Teaming, BT6, and the Future of AI Security · Dec 16, 2025 · at 19:03

AI red-teamer Pliny the Liberator argues why frontier AI labs must rely on the broader open-source security community for red-teaming models.

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“They don't have enough researchers to explore the entire latent space on their own. And so I think many hands make light work”

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