Nov 1, 2022 · 1h 14m · knowledge-project

Alan Mulally: The Power Of Working Together

Alan Mulally · 58m spoken Shane Parrish · 8m spoken
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Former Boeing and Ford CEO Alan Mulally joins Shane Parrish on The Knowledge Project to detail his transformative 'Working Together' management system. He illustrates how radical operational transparency, structured weekly cadences, and service-oriented leadership build psychological safety and foster long-term success in business and family life.

How this conversation actually went

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Shane as informed peer 2.5 Guest teaching 3.3 Guest disagreement 0.0 Shane pushing back 0.2
05100:0015:0030:0045:001:00:002:12–7:07 · Shane as informed peer 1/10 Mulally's Formation: Lessons on Service from Family and Early Career Shane asks a broad opening question about Mulally's leadership formation. Mulally responds with a warm, extended monologue outlining his childhood maxims and career ethos of service.7:07–10:07 · Shane as informed peer 3/10 The Architecture and Daily Discipline of an Integrated Life Shane offers a thoughtful extension on how people often myopically sacrifice health and community. Mulally validates this insight and elaborates on daily scheduling discipline.10:08–13:53 · Shane as informed peer 2/10 The Call to Serve: Deciding to Lead Ford's Global Recovery Shane prompts Mulally to recount his transition from Boeing to Ford. Mulally narrates the decision process, family consultation, and desire to serve another American icon.13:54–21:28 · Shane as informed peer 2/10 Core Principles of the Working Together System and Culture by Design Shane asks for specific principles behind 'love by design.' Mulally walks step-by-step through the Working Together framework, facts-and-data approach, and zero-tolerance policy.21:28–31:03 · Shane as informed peer 3/10 Transforming Corporate Culture: The Breakthrough of the First Red Chart Shane pushes on the initial resistance an outsider faces when asking people to trust an unfamiliar process. Mulally shares the dramatic breakthrough story of the 300 green charts and Mark Fields' first red chart.31:04–38:35 · Shane as informed peer 3/10 Operational Cadence, Rigorous Discipline, and Psychological Safety Shane connects consistency to psychological safety and asks how non-compliant executives are handled. Mulally describes the firm but compassionate 'it is okay to opt out' conversations.38:35–43:06 · Shane as informed peer 2/10 Humility, Behavioral Transformation, and the Power of Being Seen Shane explores whether former dissenters ever returned. Mulally discusses behavioral accountability at the round table and quotes Marilyn Gist's three essential questions on leader humility.43:07–49:56 · Shane as informed peer 4/10 Designing Presence, Eliminating Distractions, and Stakeholder Coaching Shane articulates the interpersonal dynamics of presence and safety in giving workplace feedback. Mulally wholeheartedly agrees, adding details on banning devices and using 360 stakeholder coaching.49:57–53:46 · Shane as informed peer 2/10 Architectural Breakdown of the Working Together Management System Shane invites Mulally to synthesize the overarching architecture of the system. Mulally maps out the five interconnected circles of the Working Together Venn diagram.53:46–59:18 · Shane as informed peer 3/10 The Facilitative Role of the Leader and Behavioral Alignment Shane asks about the leader's specific responsibilities in the system and unpacks habit formation. Mulally defines leadership as coaching and facilitating alignment while demonstrating authentic behaviors.59:18–1:04:59 · Shane as informed peer 2/10 Implementing the Management System at Home: Weekly Family Meetings Shane inquires into how the system functions at home. Mulally explains running Sunday family meetings with his wife and five children, covering chores, calendars, and mutual accountability.1:05:00–1:11:00 · Shane as informed peer 3/10 Constructive Family Communication and Facilitating Knowledge Workers Shane asks how to coach children to offer constructive feedback. Mulally illustrates this with a family story, then connects facilitation to managing Drucker's knowledge workers.2:12–7:07 · Guest teaching 3/10 Mulally's Formation: Lessons on Service from Family and Early Career Shane asks a broad opening question about Mulally's leadership formation. Mulally responds with a warm, extended monologue outlining his childhood maxims and career ethos of service.7:07–10:07 · Guest teaching 2/10 The Architecture and Daily Discipline of an Integrated Life Shane offers a thoughtful extension on how people often myopically sacrifice health and community. Mulally validates this insight and elaborates on daily scheduling discipline.10:08–13:53 · Guest teaching 2/10 The Call to Serve: Deciding to Lead Ford's Global Recovery Shane prompts Mulally to recount his transition from Boeing to Ford. Mulally narrates the decision process, family consultation, and desire to serve another American icon.13:54–21:28 · Guest teaching 4/10 Core Principles of the Working Together System and Culture by Design Shane asks for specific principles behind 'love by design.' Mulally walks step-by-step through the Working Together framework, facts-and-data approach, and zero-tolerance policy.21:28–31:03 · Guest teaching 4/10 Transforming Corporate Culture: The Breakthrough of the First Red Chart Shane pushes on the initial resistance an outsider faces when asking people to trust an unfamiliar process. Mulally shares the dramatic breakthrough story of the 300 green charts and Mark Fields' first red chart.31:04–38:35 · Guest teaching 4/10 Operational Cadence, Rigorous Discipline, and Psychological Safety Shane connects consistency to psychological safety and asks how non-compliant executives are handled. Mulally describes the firm but compassionate 'it is okay to opt out' conversations.38:35–43:06 · Guest teaching 3/10 Humility, Behavioral Transformation, and the Power of Being Seen Shane explores whether former dissenters ever returned. Mulally discusses behavioral accountability at the round table and quotes Marilyn Gist's three essential questions on leader humility.43:07–49:56 · Guest teaching 3/10 Designing Presence, Eliminating Distractions, and Stakeholder Coaching Shane articulates the interpersonal dynamics of presence and safety in giving workplace feedback. Mulally wholeheartedly agrees, adding details on banning devices and using 360 stakeholder coaching.49:57–53:46 · Guest teaching 4/10 Architectural Breakdown of the Working Together Management System Shane invites Mulally to synthesize the overarching architecture of the system. Mulally maps out the five interconnected circles of the Working Together Venn diagram.53:46–59:18 · Guest teaching 3/10 The Facilitative Role of the Leader and Behavioral Alignment Shane asks about the leader's specific responsibilities in the system and unpacks habit formation. Mulally defines leadership as coaching and facilitating alignment while demonstrating authentic behaviors.59:18–1:04:59 · Guest teaching 3/10 Implementing the Management System at Home: Weekly Family Meetings Shane inquires into how the system functions at home. Mulally explains running Sunday family meetings with his wife and five children, covering chores, calendars, and mutual accountability.1:05:00–1:11:00 · Guest teaching 4/10 Constructive Family Communication and Facilitating Knowledge Workers Shane asks how to coach children to offer constructive feedback. Mulally illustrates this with a family story, then connects facilitation to managing Drucker's knowledge workers.2:12–7:07 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Mulally's Formation: Lessons on Service from Family and Early Career Shane asks a broad opening question about Mulally's leadership formation. Mulally responds with a warm, extended monologue outlining his childhood maxims and career ethos of service.7:07–10:07 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The Architecture and Daily Discipline of an Integrated Life Shane offers a thoughtful extension on how people often myopically sacrifice health and community. Mulally validates this insight and elaborates on daily scheduling discipline.10:08–13:53 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The Call to Serve: Deciding to Lead Ford's Global Recovery Shane prompts Mulally to recount his transition from Boeing to Ford. Mulally narrates the decision process, family consultation, and desire to serve another American icon.13:54–21:28 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Core Principles of the Working Together System and Culture by Design Shane asks for specific principles behind 'love by design.' Mulally walks step-by-step through the Working Together framework, facts-and-data approach, and zero-tolerance policy.21:28–31:03 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Transforming Corporate Culture: The Breakthrough of the First Red Chart Shane pushes on the initial resistance an outsider faces when asking people to trust an unfamiliar process. Mulally shares the dramatic breakthrough story of the 300 green charts and Mark Fields' first red chart.31:04–38:35 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Operational Cadence, Rigorous Discipline, and Psychological Safety Shane connects consistency to psychological safety and asks how non-compliant executives are handled. Mulally describes the firm but compassionate 'it is okay to opt out' conversations.38:35–43:06 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Humility, Behavioral Transformation, and the Power of Being Seen Shane explores whether former dissenters ever returned. Mulally discusses behavioral accountability at the round table and quotes Marilyn Gist's three essential questions on leader humility.43:07–49:56 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Designing Presence, Eliminating Distractions, and Stakeholder Coaching Shane articulates the interpersonal dynamics of presence and safety in giving workplace feedback. Mulally wholeheartedly agrees, adding details on banning devices and using 360 stakeholder coaching.49:57–53:46 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Architectural Breakdown of the Working Together Management System Shane invites Mulally to synthesize the overarching architecture of the system. Mulally maps out the five interconnected circles of the Working Together Venn diagram.53:46–59:18 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The Facilitative Role of the Leader and Behavioral Alignment Shane asks about the leader's specific responsibilities in the system and unpacks habit formation. Mulally defines leadership as coaching and facilitating alignment while demonstrating authentic behaviors.59:18–1:04:59 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Implementing the Management System at Home: Weekly Family Meetings Shane inquires into how the system functions at home. Mulally explains running Sunday family meetings with his wife and five children, covering chores, calendars, and mutual accountability.1:05:00–1:11:00 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Constructive Family Communication and Facilitating Knowledge Workers Shane asks how to coach children to offer constructive feedback. Mulally illustrates this with a family story, then connects facilitation to managing Drucker's knowledge workers.2:12–7:07 · Shane pushing back 0/10 Mulally's Formation: Lessons on Service from Family and Early Career Shane asks a broad opening question about Mulally's leadership formation. Mulally responds with a warm, extended monologue outlining his childhood maxims and career ethos of service.7:07–10:07 · Shane pushing back 0/10 The Architecture and Daily Discipline of an Integrated Life Shane offers a thoughtful extension on how people often myopically sacrifice health and community. Mulally validates this insight and elaborates on daily scheduling discipline.10:08–13:53 · Shane pushing back 0/10 The Call to Serve: Deciding to Lead Ford's Global Recovery Shane prompts Mulally to recount his transition from Boeing to Ford. Mulally narrates the decision process, family consultation, and desire to serve another American icon.13:54–21:28 · Shane pushing back 0/10 Core Principles of the Working Together System and Culture by Design Shane asks for specific principles behind 'love by design.' Mulally walks step-by-step through the Working Together framework, facts-and-data approach, and zero-tolerance policy.21:28–31:03 · Shane pushing back 2/10 Transforming Corporate Culture: The Breakthrough of the First Red Chart Shane pushes on the initial resistance an outsider faces when asking people to trust an unfamiliar process. Mulally shares the dramatic breakthrough story of the 300 green charts and Mark Fields' first red chart.31:04–38:35 · Shane pushing back 0/10 Operational Cadence, Rigorous Discipline, and Psychological Safety Shane connects consistency to psychological safety and asks how non-compliant executives are handled. Mulally describes the firm but compassionate 'it is okay to opt out' conversations.38:35–43:06 · Shane pushing back 0/10 Humility, Behavioral Transformation, and the Power of Being Seen Shane explores whether former dissenters ever returned. Mulally discusses behavioral accountability at the round table and quotes Marilyn Gist's three essential questions on leader humility.43:07–49:56 · Shane pushing back 0/10 Designing Presence, Eliminating Distractions, and Stakeholder Coaching Shane articulates the interpersonal dynamics of presence and safety in giving workplace feedback. Mulally wholeheartedly agrees, adding details on banning devices and using 360 stakeholder coaching.49:57–53:46 · Shane pushing back 0/10 Architectural Breakdown of the Working Together Management System Shane invites Mulally to synthesize the overarching architecture of the system. Mulally maps out the five interconnected circles of the Working Together Venn diagram.53:46–59:18 · Shane pushing back 0/10 The Facilitative Role of the Leader and Behavioral Alignment Shane asks about the leader's specific responsibilities in the system and unpacks habit formation. Mulally defines leadership as coaching and facilitating alignment while demonstrating authentic behaviors.59:18–1:04:59 · Shane pushing back 0/10 Implementing the Management System at Home: Weekly Family Meetings Shane inquires into how the system functions at home. Mulally explains running Sunday family meetings with his wife and five children, covering chores, calendars, and mutual accountability.1:05:00–1:11:00 · Shane pushing back 0/10 Constructive Family Communication and Facilitating Knowledge Workers Shane asks how to coach children to offer constructive feedback. Mulally illustrates this with a family story, then connects facilitation to managing Drucker's knowledge workers.

speaking balance: gold is Shane, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Shane 62% · guest 38%0:00 · Shane 62% · guest 38%3:00 · Shane 0% · guest 100%3:00 · Shane 0% · guest 100%6:00 · Shane 12.7% · guest 87.3%6:00 · Shane 12.7% · guest 87.3%9:00 · Shane 16.5% · guest 83.5%9:00 · Shane 16.5% · guest 83.5%12:00 · Shane 19% · guest 81%12:00 · Shane 19% · guest 81%15:00 · Shane 0% · guest 100%15:00 · Shane 0% · guest 100%18:00 · Shane 0% · guest 100%18:00 · Shane 0% · guest 100%21:00 · Shane 13.4% · guest 86.6%21:00 · Shane 13.4% · guest 86.6%24:00 · Shane 0% · guest 100%24:00 · Shane 0% · guest 100%27:00 · Shane 0% · guest 100%27:00 · Shane 0% · guest 100%30:00 · Shane 17.3% · guest 82.7%30:00 · Shane 17.3% · guest 82.7%33:00 · Shane 1.8% · guest 98.2%33:00 · Shane 1.8% · guest 98.2%36:00 · Shane 10.7% · guest 89.3%36:00 · Shane 10.7% · guest 89.3%39:00 · Shane 6.9% · guest 93.1%39:00 · Shane 6.9% · guest 93.1%42:00 · Shane 20.3% · guest 79.7%42:00 · Shane 20.3% · guest 79.7%45:00 · Shane 24.4% · guest 75.6%45:00 · Shane 24.4% · guest 75.6%48:00 · Shane 25.4% · guest 74.6%48:00 · Shane 25.4% · guest 74.6%51:00 · Shane 7% · guest 93%51:00 · Shane 7% · guest 93%54:00 · Shane 0% · guest 100%54:00 · Shane 0% · guest 100%57:00 · Shane 13.9% · guest 86.1%57:00 · Shane 13.9% · guest 86.1%1:00:00 · Shane 0.1% · guest 99.9%1:00:00 · Shane 0.1% · guest 99.9%1:03:00 · Shane 8.9% · guest 91.1%1:03:00 · Shane 8.9% · guest 91.1%1:06:00 · Shane 11.3% · guest 88.7%1:06:00 · Shane 11.3% · guest 88.7%1:09:00 · Shane 17.5% · guest 82.5%1:09:00 · Shane 17.5% · guest 82.5%1:12:00 · Shane 25.1% · guest 74.9%1:12:00 · Shane 25.1% · guest 74.9%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 1:09:55 Mulally reframes executive skepticism about facilitation

Mulally rejects a skeptical CEO's premise that leaders are paid to direct rather than coach, countering that boards will pay double for effective facilitators of knowledge workers.

Hardest push from Shane ▶ 21:28 Shane challenges the idealism of trusting the process

Shane pushes back against Mulally's smooth narrative by asking how he overcame entrenched cultural resistance and cynicism as an outsider at Ford.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 26:15 Mulally exposes corporate green-shifting culture

Mulally educates the host on how corporate fear causes teams to label failing metrics green, and shows how celebrating the first red chart transformed executive behavior.

Shane holds their own ▶ 47:54 Shane articulates the root cause of withheld workplace feedback

Shane demonstrates strong psychological insight by explaining that colleagues withhold constructive feedback not from lack of care, but from lack of psychological safety in the relationship.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicShane as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementShane pushing backWhy
Mulally's Formation: Lessons on Service from Family and Early Career 1300 Shane asks a broad opening question about Mulally's leadership formation. Mulally responds with a warm, extended monologue outlining his childhood maxims and career ethos of service.
The Architecture and Daily Discipline of an Integrated Life 3200 Shane offers a thoughtful extension on how people often myopically sacrifice health and community. Mulally validates this insight and elaborates on daily scheduling discipline.
The Call to Serve: Deciding to Lead Ford's Global Recovery 2200 Shane prompts Mulally to recount his transition from Boeing to Ford. Mulally narrates the decision process, family consultation, and desire to serve another American icon.
Core Principles of the Working Together System and Culture by Design 2400 Shane asks for specific principles behind 'love by design.' Mulally walks step-by-step through the Working Together framework, facts-and-data approach, and zero-tolerance policy.
Transforming Corporate Culture: The Breakthrough of the First Red Chart 3402 Shane pushes on the initial resistance an outsider faces when asking people to trust an unfamiliar process. Mulally shares the dramatic breakthrough story of the 300 green charts and Mark Fields' first red chart.
Operational Cadence, Rigorous Discipline, and Psychological Safety 3400 Shane connects consistency to psychological safety and asks how non-compliant executives are handled. Mulally describes the firm but compassionate 'it is okay to opt out' conversations.
Humility, Behavioral Transformation, and the Power of Being Seen 2300 Shane explores whether former dissenters ever returned. Mulally discusses behavioral accountability at the round table and quotes Marilyn Gist's three essential questions on leader humility.
Designing Presence, Eliminating Distractions, and Stakeholder Coaching 4300 Shane articulates the interpersonal dynamics of presence and safety in giving workplace feedback. Mulally wholeheartedly agrees, adding details on banning devices and using 360 stakeholder coaching.
Architectural Breakdown of the Working Together Management System 2400 Shane invites Mulally to synthesize the overarching architecture of the system. Mulally maps out the five interconnected circles of the Working Together Venn diagram.
The Facilitative Role of the Leader and Behavioral Alignment 3300 Shane asks about the leader's specific responsibilities in the system and unpacks habit formation. Mulally defines leadership as coaching and facilitating alignment while demonstrating authentic behaviors.
Implementing the Management System at Home: Weekly Family Meetings 2300 Shane inquires into how the system functions at home. Mulally explains running Sunday family meetings with his wife and five children, covering chores, calendars, and mutual accountability.
Constructive Family Communication and Facilitating Knowledge Workers 3400 Shane asks how to coach children to offer constructive feedback. Mulally illustrates this with a family story, then connects facilitation to managing Drucker's knowledge workers.

Statements from this episode (16)

Insight
Work-life balance requires daily calendar reflection, not occasional planning
“When people are managing their work-life balance, they might think that, oh, well, I have something planned with the family and next year so I got that one covered. No, I think you're going to have to think about that every day. So the idea of an integrated li…”
Alan Mulally Nov 1, 2022 ▶ 8:23
Assertion Supported
Ford faced a projected $17 billion loss due to brand over-expansion
“They'd become a house of brands, and purchased Aston Martin, and Jaguar, and Land Rover, and Volvo, and still 70, 80% of the business was Ford, and which, as you know, you can't be world-class too many things at the same time, and so they were going to lose se…”
Alan Mulally Nov 1, 2022 ▶ 11:32
Insight
Mulally celebrated employees reporting problems rather than penalizing them
“Many leaders, if they have a red item, first of all, that embarrasses them, they think they're not doing their job, as opposed to that red item is a gem. We, I clap when you have a red because you're not the, you're not red. It's your item's red.”
Alan Mulally Nov 1, 2022 ▶ 19:00
Disclosure
Mulally enforced zero tolerance for violating core operating processes
“Zero tolerance for violating that operating process, and zero tolerance for violating these expected behaviors, because we all can see in each other.”
Alan Mulally Nov 1, 2022 ▶ 21:01
Assertion Supported
Ford secured a $23.5 billion loan for restructuring and product development
“Taking out a small home improvement loan of 23 and a half billion dollars to finance The restructuring, but also we financed the product development plan to support other customers and our growth.”
Alan Mulally Nov 1, 2022 ▶ 23:36
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Ford executives presented 300 green status charts despite losing $17 billion
“We have about 300 charts with the entire team. And we've also shared with them now for the first time that we lose seventeen billion dollars. And all 300 charts, Shane, were colored green.”
Alan Mulally Nov 1, 2022 ▶ 25:34
Insight
Requiring solutions before reporting problems prevents fast issue resolution
“Because a lot of cultures are you only bring an issue if you have an answer. That doesn't allow it working together the way we're talking about, where you can move quickly on the issues.”
Alan Mulally Nov 1, 2022 ▶ 26:37
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Mulally led weekly business reviews for 45 years, missing only ten
“I've gone through my introduction of the vision, strategy, and plan for 45 years, every week. I think I maybe missed 10 meetings, because wherever you are you phone in, or you link in, and the kids used to link in with me before somewhere.”
Alan Mulally Nov 1, 2022 ▶ 31:39
Insight
Workplace ridicule and attacks undermine employees' commitment to transparency
“See, if somebody would go after somebody, or act like they knew what the answer was, or be rhetorical questions, or whatever, anything that would cause an unsafe culture of love by design, Where people felt like they're going to be a victim or be made fun of, …”
Alan Mulally Nov 1, 2022 ▶ 32:10
Insight
Asking rhetorical questions to flaunt intelligence destroys collaborative team dynamics
“Had another person that always liked to do rhetorical questions, which is not very healthy for working together. Like, you're trying to, you ask the question, you know the answer so that you can show everybody you have smarts you are. Not working together.”
Alan Mulally Nov 1, 2022 ▶ 37:23
Assertion Not checkable as stated
When confronted, 80% of resistant executives chose to commit to new standards
“80% of the time that it happened, they moved in the direction of staying and making a commitment and making great progress on working together, because it goes back to just basic fundamental human values that are powerful.”
Alan Mulally Nov 1, 2022 ▶ 38:20
Disclosure
Mulally halted meetings if executives used phones or laptops
“When we're doing a business plan review, there are no devices. If you pull out your device, or you're looking at your computer, we just stop the meeting and look at you.”
Alan Mulally Nov 1, 2022 ▶ 44:05
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Ford's executive reporting transparency drastically improved within two months
“Within two months, When I arrived at Ford, we were on our way. The colors were all showing up. The behaviors were getting just fantastic. The stress was going down. The issues we're dealing with were considered gems, and we're going to solve them together, and…”
Alan Mulally Nov 1, 2022 ▶ 44:45
Disclosure
Mulally maintained 13 direct reports to include every operational discipline
“I always have like maybe 12 or 13 people reporting to me, which a lot of people always wondered how I did that, but I had to have Every discipline need to be on that team, because if not, then if you have the haves and the have-nots on the leadership team, you…”
Alan Mulally Nov 1, 2022 ▶ 54:58
Insight
Enforcing organizational behaviors reshapes employees' internal values over time
“Once they join this environment and you have these expected behaviors, And they're the right expected behaviors, and you start acting this way, then you start being this way. So gradually, your mindsets, and your beliefs, and your values, they all start to mov…”
Alan Mulally Nov 1, 2022 ▶ 56:12
Insight
A CEO's primary role is facilitating specialized knowledge workers
“You have, well, all of this talent, all of which knows more than you do about their given subject. This is Peter Drucker's knowledge workers, and so we need the hearts and minds of all the knowledge workers in a safe and a healthy environment, and so the bigge…”
Alan Mulally Nov 1, 2022 ▶ 1:10:24
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