Fund manager Cliff Sosin responds to host Patrick O'Shaughnessy's question about ESG mandates and ethical investing constraints in public markets.
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Sosin: Someday people will compare Jeff Bezos to Carvana's Ernie Garcia
“Someday people will compare Jeff Bezos to Ernie Garcia, not the other way around.”
Opinion
Sosin: Carvana's 2023 debt exchange did not save the business
“And that whole exchange happened in the summer of 23, and a lot of, sort of, the retelling of the story is, and by virtue of that exchange, they, like, saved the business. By that point, the data I was looking at said that everything was great. That was just k…”
Assertion Supported
Sosin: Every competitor attempting to copy Carvana's vertically integrated model failed
“Everyone who's tried to build this business besides Carvana has failed, and that's why It's taken Carvana, you know, over 10 years and ten billion dollars to get, you know, where it is.”
Prediction Open · timeframe Apr 2028
Sosin: Carvana will probably reach 13% to 14% EBITDA margins
“And they'll probably get to the 13, fourteen-ish percent range based on what they've said, and there's no reason to doubt it.”
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Sosin: Carvana sells vehicles $500 to $600 cheaper than CarMax
“And we track every car that they sell and we compare it to similar cars sold by CarMax. We also compare it to other market indices. And we believe that they sell cars of the order of sort of five, 600 dollars cheaper doing that.”
Insight
Sosin: The institutional investing business prioritizes marketability over performance
“One might naively think that, that the investing business is about maximizing performance, which, but it's not, it's about maximizing marketability and performance is a component of marketability, but really what you're trying to do is signal talent and the wa…”