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Zimmer: US bus fares only cover about 30% of transit operating costs

John Zimmer · Lyft: John Zimmer (2017) · Jun 25, 2018 · at 6:01

Lyft co-founder John Zimmer explains the structural economics of public transportation observed by his co-founder Logan Green while serving on a local transit board.

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“Across the country, when you pay to get on the bus, you're really only covering about 30% of the operating cost. So what that means is a three dollar bus fare actually costs the government 10.”

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The claim, plainly

Across the United States, bus passenger fares cover only about 30% of transit operating costs, meaning a three-dollar fare costs the government ten dollars.

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Assessment

In his June 25, 2018 podcast interview, then-Lyft President John Zimmer stated that nationwide bus passenger fares cover approximately 30% of operating costs (with a $3 fare corresponding to a $10 total operating cost). Federal Transit Administration (FTA) National Transit Database (NTD) data and American Public Transportation Association (APTA) benchmarks from 2016 to 2018 confirm that US fixed-route bus transit averaged a farebox recovery ratio between 20% and 30% (specifically averaging ~24% nationally for fixed-route buses and 36% across all transit modes combined). Zimmer's approximate figure of 'about 30%' accurately reflects the national transit industry baseline at the time.

FTA 2016-2017 National Transit Summary and Trends data showed nationwide fixed-route bus farebox recovery ratios averaging 23.9% to 24.1%, and an all-mode national average of 36%.
APTA Fact Books (2016-2018) and Eno Center analyses confirmed that nationwide motor bus transit modes consistently fell in the 20% to 30% farebox recovery range.

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[1] dot.gov [2] milwaukee.gov [3] milwaukee.gov [4] theride.org [5] samtrans.com [6] countyconnection.com [7] novatransit.org [8] novatransit.org

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