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Hale: Early international Backroads tours likely ignored local regulations

Tom Hale · Backroads: Tom Hale. How a desk worker became a trailblazer in active travel · Nov 10, 2025 · at 30:14

Tom Hale is the founder of active travel company Backroads. He discusses the logistics and regulatory ambiguity of expanding cycling tours abroad to Hawaii, New Zealand, and Bali in the 1980s.

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“My guess is they probably did have rules and we probably weren't adhering to them.”

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Disclosure
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