Jun 22, 2020 · 1h 29m · how-i-built-this
Ring: Jamie Siminoff
Jamie Siminoff · 58m spoken Guy Raz · 22m spoken Kevin O'Leary · 7s spoken Shark Tank Shark · 1s spoken
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Host Guy Raz interviews Ring founder Jamie Siminoff on NPR's 'How I Built This,' tracing how a makeshift Wi-Fi doorbell built in a Los Angeles garage overcame near-fatal hardware failures, high-stakes investor rejections, and intense competition to become a billion-dollar home security powerhouse acquired by Amazon.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Guy holds 28.4% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Guy as informed peer 3.4 Guest teaching 2.5 Guest disagreement 1.4 Guy pushing back 1.6
speaking balance: gold is Guy, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 1:17:46 Defending law enforcement integration against surveillance criticism
Siminoff forcefully rejects the narrative that Ring enables invasive surveillance, arguing instead that their opt-in system provides more privacy protection than police physically knocking on doors.
Hardest push from Guy ▶ 1:19:48 Pressing on societal consequences of ubiquitous surveillanceRaz refuses to let Siminoff bypass the broader ethical dilemmas of Ring, insisting that tech founders must directly confront unintended consequences like racial profiling.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 14:13 Educating on the mechanics of VoIP disruptionSiminoff breaks down how early VoIP gateways allowed small teams to route international calls over IP networks to bypass costly oceanic copper infrastructure.
Guy holds their own ▶ 43:47 Citing Fitbit's hardware capital trapRaz leverages his background knowledge of hardware startup economics, bringing in Fitbit founder James Park's parallel manufacturing cost shocks to contextualize Siminoff's early undercapitalization.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Guy as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Guy pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Childhood Tinkering, RC Cars, and Academic Drive | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Guy Raz bonds with Jamie over childhood electronics tinkering, demonstrating familiarity with RC car components like speed controllers and servos. The dynamic is conversational and nostalgic with zero friction. | |
| Babson College Hustles and Early Ventures | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | Raz prompts Jamie on his college hustles at Babson, comparing his odd-jobs business to an early TaskRabbit. Jamie lightheartedly recounts clearing poison ivy and reselling wholesale electronics. | |
| Business Plan Consulting and Bulgaria Telecom Venture | 4 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Jamie explains how early voice-over-IP gateways bypassed traditional telecom toll lines in Bulgaria. Raz tracks the telecom mechanics and prompts on the financial resolution when the partnership fractured. | |
| SimulScribe, PhoneTag, and the Google Voice Threat | 3 | 2 | 1 | 2 | Raz presses Jamie on the crushing reality of Google Voice offering free transcription against PhoneTag's paid model. Jamie candidly acknowledges the immediate existential threat and selling to break even. | |
| Unsubscribe.com and the Garage Re-evaluation | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Jamie reflects on his midlife realization that he was an inventor rather than an operational entrepreneur after Unsubscribe.com stalled. Raz listens attentively as Jamie outlines his shift to the garage lab. | |
| Edison Jr. Workshop and the Garage Doorbell Dilemma | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Jamie describes the chaotic garage workshop atmosphere and quirky failed concepts like SnapGarden. The tone is highly collaborative and humorous. | |
| Prototyping DoorBot and Launching on Christie Street | 4 | 3 | 2 | 4 | Raz pushes back against Jamie's claim that he did not view DoorBot as a major commercial product when first building it. Jamie defends his mindset, explaining it was purely a side project built out of personal necessity. | |
| Hardware Manufacturing Obstacles and Shark Tank Preparation | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Raz draws parallels to Fitbit's manufacturing cost hurdles when discussing DoorBot's capital burn rate. Jamie recounts the grueling preparation and staging required for Shark Tank. | |
| The Shark Tank Pitch, O'Leary's Offer, and Sales Surge | 3 | 2 | 2 | 1 | Raz and Jamie discuss the Shark Tank pitch, highlighting Kevin O'Leary's loan-and-royalty proposal which Raz labels outrageous. Jamie explains why walking away was necessary despite desperation. | |
| Christmas Crisis: Defective Chips and Threat of Collapse | 2 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Jamie narrates the catastrophic discovery on Christmas Eve Eve that thousands of shipped DoorBots contained non-rewriteable firmware bugs. Raz follows along as Jamie describes feeling the company was finished. | |
| A Christmas Miracle Fix and the Rebirth as Ring | 3 | 2 | 2 | 1 | Jamie explains the overnight cloud server workaround that rescued the units, followed by the rigorous 'F-Five' rebrand to Ring. The narrative flows smoothly with minimal tension. | |
| Scaling Ring, Overcoming Paranoia, and Mission-Driven Strategy | 3 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Raz asks why legacy security companies failed to replicate Ring's model. Jamie explains the difference between MBA-driven corporate optimization and mission-focused innovation labs. | |
| Law Enforcement Partnerships, Privacy Protocols, and Ethics | 6 | 5 | 4 | 6 | Raz directly confronts Jamie regarding the controversial law enforcement partnerships, surveillance concerns, and unintended societal consequences like racial profiling. Jamie defends Ring's architecture, insisting user consent and strict privacy controls improve on traditional policing. | |
| Amazon Acquisition and Returning to Shark Tank | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Raz inquires about the $1B Amazon acquisition and Jamie returning to Shark Tank as a guest shark. Jamie discusses the role of persistence and lottery tickets in entrepreneurial success. |
Statements from this episode (21)
Siminoff ran a student labor arbitrage service in college
“We put posters up all over the place, you know, for 15 dollars an hour, we'll do anything, and so we'd pay kids 10 dollars an hour and make the difference.”
Siminoff: Outsourcing a business plan proves a founder misunderstands their business
“If you needed a kid to write your business plan, it means you didn't understand your business.”
Siminoff: Enterprise deals with large companies are fatal for early startups
“Trying to do deals with big companies is, it's almost guaranteed to be a kiss of death because they just take so much time and so much energy out of you. And it's so hard to get something to happen there.”
Siminoff: PhoneTag sale returned 100% of capital to investors
“I mean, something I've always been sensitive to is, like, the fiduciary responsibility to investors, and so I did get every dollar back to every investor.”
Siminoff: Raising outside capital locks a startup onto inflexible railroad tracks
“Like once you raise money for something, you turn a road into a railroad track. And what I mean by that is you can't turn.”
Siminoff: Entrepreneurs build businesses, whereas inventors just want to create products
“Entrepreneurs want to build a business. An inventor wants to literally invent a product or service to just get it out there.”
Siminoff: Ring originated because garage lacked cell signal and doorbell range
“My phone didn't get signal in the garage, and the doorbells, those wireless ones, wouldn't reach to the garage, just, like, through, they wouldn't go through all the walls or whatever, and my, the garage was like a little separate unit, like, going to a back a…”
Siminoff: Kickstarter kicked hardware creators off its platform in 2012
“Kickstarter kicked off all the hardware people at this point, so this is 2012.”
Siminoff: Hardware startups fail when relying solely on gadget collectors
“The issue is, and I think why a lot of companies have this sort of false positive where they look like they're going to be huge companies early on because their growth is just like astronomical, and then all of a sudden they just go to zero because you can't l…”
Siminoff: Prepped 300 questions and watched every Shark Tank episode
“I took Shark Tank seriously. Like, I mean, and when I mean seriously, I had 300 questions that I thought that they would do. I watched every single Shark Tank episode multiple times that had been on to that point.”
Siminoff: Shark Tank appearance drove millions in DoorBot sales
“And so we got, in the end, it was millions of dollars of sales from being on Shark Tank,”
Siminoff: DoorBot's first factory run required 20,000 units
“I had to order, my first order was 20,000 devices, which was a lot then because otherwise they wouldn't even do it.”
Siminoff: Early DoorBot microchips could not be updated after factory flashing
“So it turned out, and we learned this on Christmas Eve Eve, that you can't rewrite the software on this chip. It just doesn't, like, the chip only takes it once at the factory, and then it never allows it to be rewritten again.”
Siminoff: DoorBot shipped over 5,000 defective doorbells ahead of Christmas 2013
“I think it was like, it was over 5000.”
Siminoff: Ring launched in October 2014 with zero dollars in the bank
“We launched ring in October of 2014, like, you know, basically October first, 2014, and we were zero dollars in the bank account the day we launched.”
Siminoff: Ring lost money on most doorbells sold in 2015
“So we were not. So the rings were very expensive, the first ones that came in. Most of the ones that we sold, we were losing some money on.”
Siminoff: A big security company probably could have unseated Ring early on
“If one of the, if someone that big had come out with something much earlier, could they have unseated us? Probably.”
Siminoff: Amazon is the only tech giant that elevates acquired companies
“Amazon was the only large company that I saw or felt
When they bought companies truly like brought it to the next level. Like I, you know, with audible and IMDB and Zappos and I mean, you look at Twitch, like you look at all the, they've just kept founders and…”
Siminoff: Ring is the largest company to ever appear on Shark Tank
“I am really proud to have built the largest company ever to appear on Shark Tank.”