Mar 8, 2021 · 1h 22m · how-i-built-this
Rick Steves' Europe: Rick Steves
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In this episode of How I Built This, travel entrepreneur Rick Steves details how he transformed a youthful passion for budget backpacking into a $100-million travel empire by offering free public educational content, embracing values-driven business practices, and championing cultural immersion.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Guy holds 29.1% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Guy as informed peer 4.4 Guest teaching 2.4 Guest disagreement 1.1 Guy pushing back 1.2
speaking balance: gold is Guy, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 1:04:30 Rick distinguishes his mission from Instagram selfie culture
Rick sharply distances his work from social media influencers who line up at scenic spots solely to take photos without understanding local history or culture.
Hardest push from Guy ▶ 1:02:10 Guy pushes Rick on ruining undiscovered European townsGuy directly challenges Rick with the widespread criticism that his popular guidebooks flooded quaint European back doors with American tourists and destroyed their charm.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 32:50 Rick explains the counterintuitive logic of giving tour secrets awayRick explains why publishing every detail of his guided itineraries for five dollars expanded his customer base rather than undermining his business.
Guy holds their own ▶ 54:30 Guy breaks down Rick Steves Europe's unconventional revenue engineGuy articulately synthesizes the company's entire business model, demonstrating that media distribution is not the revenue driver but an awareness funnel for tours and book sales.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Guy as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Guy pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Edmonds Roots and the Piano Business | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Guy Raz prompts Rick about his upbringing in Edmonds and his father's piano business. Rick explains his early relationship with music and his childhood exposure to European piano makers. | |
| First Impressions: Europe at Fourteen | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Raz cites specific details including a 1969 family photo in Europe. Rick recounts his initial teenage skepticism shifting to curiosity, coin arbitrage, and cultural encounters. | |
| The Copenhagen Train Station Epiphany | 5 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Raz connects Rick's memories to Arthur Frommer's classic guidebook. Rick elaborates on traveling on three dollars a day, dodging conductors with expired passes, and his epiphany seeing independent backpackers in Copenhagen. | |
| The Experimental College and Early Lectures | 4 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Raz asks about the University of Washington Experimental College. Rick clarifies how taking a disorganized travel class spurred him to create a tightly structured, practical course. | |
| Turning Lectures into 'Europe Through the Back Door' | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Raz asks about translating oral lectures into written form. Rick explains how surveying student anxieties shaped the functional layout of his first book. | |
| Self-Publishing and Trunk Sales | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Raz explores the self-publishing mechanics in 1980. Rick describes assembling the physical manuscript with glue sticks and hawking books out of the trunk of his station wagon. | |
| Pioneering Minibus Tours and Sharing Tour Handbooks | 4 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Raz asks about the logistical challenges of running minibus tours without local guides. Rick details how giving away tour handbooks counterintuitively drove tour sign-ups and independent travel. | |
| Arthur Frommer's Endorsement and Early Business Expansion | 5 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Raz probes the psychological transition to becoming an established authority and mentions Frommer. Rick reflects on Frommer's public blessing and the pressure from his publisher to expand regional titles. | |
| Mid-Show Break: Television and Family Sacrifices | 5 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Raz examines the launch of the public television show and the intellectual property dynamics with Small World Productions. Rick explains the tension between commercial entertainment and his pedagogical mission. | |
| PBS Identity, Pledge Drives, and Fan Fame | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Raz notes Rick's unique public television appeal compared to conventional broadcast hosts. Rick explains his philosophy of being other organizations' cash cow through relentless pledge drive fundraising. | |
| The Heavy Toll on Family and Fatherhood | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Raz gently touches on the intense personal costs of building the brand. Rick speaks candidly about missing his children's upbringing, the strain on his marriage, and his refusal to accept conventional definitions of good parenting. | |
| Complete Control and the Free Content Model | 5 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Raz outlines how Rick's free broadcast content effectively serves as marketing for his profitable tour business. Rick explains the deliberate decision to keep TV and audio guides free to ensure maximum reach. | |
| Mid-Show Break: Managing Growth and Crises | 6 | 3 | 2 | 3 | Raz presses Rick on the criticism that guidebooks and tourism have ruined authentic local destinations. Rick responds by contrasting his educational philosophy with Instagram influencer tourism. | |
| Weathering COVID-19 and Preserving the Team | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Raz asks how the business maintained payroll despite near-zero revenue during the 2020 lockdowns. Rick explains how three decades of retained corporate earnings allowed him to preserve his entire workforce. | |
| Progressive Politics, Philanthropy, and Guidebook Ethics | 5 | 3 | 1 | 2 | Raz asks about Rick's progressive worldview and questions whether he enjoys luxury travel perks. Rick insists he always flies economy and details buying an apartment complex for transitional housing. | |
| Company Succession, Home Life, and Cannabis Advocacy | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Raz brings up company succession, Rick's new relationship, and his cannabis legalization advocacy. Rick humorously shares his personal life adjustments and his advocacy for drug reform. |
Statements from this episode (24)
Rick Steves made early profits flipping European coins in Seattle
“Coins sold in Seattle in the sixties. Foreign coins for Three cents a piece, you know, in the coin markets, if it was a German coin or a Norwegian coin. So I could buy 52 Groschen coins for a nickel and bring them home and sell them for three cents each.”
Rick Steves has returned to Europe annually since high school
“I vowed right then in the Copenhagen train station that I would go back to Europe every year after I graduated from high school, and I have.”
Steves: Traveled across Europe in 1973 on roughly three dollars daily
“Back then, you could go to Europe really cheap. You could fly to Europe for a few hundred dollars. You could get a year rail pass, a student year rail pass for, I think it was 250 dollars, and we lived on, on three or four, I mean, there was no five dollars a …”
Steves: Society should fund a gap year abroad for every American child
“If the world was smart, they would establish a fund and give every American kid a little gap year trip, and it seems extravagant, but it'd be a small price to pay. To get Americans out of their home and into the rest of the world and realize this world's a bea…”
Rick Steves' first travel class surprisingly drew 100 parents, not students
“I thought I'd get 20 kids from the dorm signing up. I had a hundred of their parents signing up, and I just remember, holy cow, I've struck something here, there's, these are not the students, these are the parents”
Rick Steves wrote 'Europe Through the Back Door' by transcribing his lectures
“I just sat down and gave my lecture to the paper, and there it was, the first edition of Europe Through the Back Door.”
Steves: First edition of Europe guidebook lacked an ISBN
“It was self-published. I didn't know what an ISBN was, so it didn't have an ISBN, which was stupid.”
Rick Steves: Non-academic persona drove travel guide success
“I think that's part of my how I was successful. Part of my appeal is I'm not a scholar.”
Rick Steves: The best travel business entry is operating specialized minibus tours
“When people want to get into the travel business and make some money, I say, you know, I think the best thing is just to have a forte. Just, you know, you are you know, you are Mr. Scandinavia, or you are Mr. Baja, or Miss Baja, California, and just do that sp…”
Steves: Rick Steves' Europe's best-selling tours run 10 to 12 days
“The longest tour is 20 days, and our best-selling tours are 10 or 12 days.”
Rick Steves drove paid tour bookings by giving away DIY tour handbooks
“I put everything I knew about doing the tour in the handbook for the tour into intending to give people the information necessary so they could do the Rick Steves tour without Rick Steves. They could buy the book for five bucks and do it on their own. And some…”
Steves: Bus tours funded the idealism of Rick Steves' Europe
“From 80 on, after I had the guidebook, the tour, the bus tours were funding the idealism of the business”
Steves: Producing a half-hour travel episode takes six full days
“The TV show, it takes six days. To produce a half-hour TV show, and you learn nothing during that.”
Steves: First TV series paid zero direct salary, only guidebook promotion
“The only pay I was getting was the exposure, I suppose, to the public, and the chance to say, and he writes a guidebook. So at the end of the show, he writes a cool book, and if you like the show, you like the book, you buy that, and then Small World would mak…”
Rick Steves: Becoming partners' cash cow makes your business indispensable
“You know, one thing I've had as a business sort of value is be other people's cash cow. Everybody is struggling. Everybody is desperate to be viable from a business point of view, and if all you are is your own cash cow, nobody's gonna want to talk to you, but…”
Rick Steves' Europe drove nearly 20% of all PBS pledge revenue
“I was spending 20 days a year, 20 days on the road doing pledge, and to this day, I mean, I just was talking to the people at public television a week or two ago, and they said nearly 20% of all the money that they raised in pledge this last quarter was from m…”
Rick Steves: Founders cannot make up for missed parenting once kids grow up
“Pretty practical about the reality that you can't do it all, and those years are fleeting years, and you can't really make it up, make up for it when your kids are in their thirties, when you finally slow down and you realize that cat's in the cradle kind of b…”
Rick Steves: Rick Steves' Europe operates 1,200 tours for 30,000 people annually
“In a normal year, we take 30,000 people and 1200 tours.”
Steves: Focus shifted from remote locations to authentic spots near main routes
“I used to genuinely look for places off the beaten path, but I've been sort of, I've morphed into finding unique, authentic places that are accessible to the beaten path. That's what people want.”
Rick Steves' Europe peaked at $100M in revenue with just 100 employees
“When we peaked in 2019, I think we were, our gross revenue was a hundred million dollars with a hundred employees.”
Rick Steves bought and donated a 25-unit apartment complex to the YWCA
“Eventually I just gave that building to the YWCA, and now I go to sleep knowing that my hard work has resulted in the YWCA owning, you know, a 25 unit apartment complex that is housing 25 single moms in this case people who have had problems with hard drug add…”
Steves: I have never paid for anything other than economy airline tickets
“I've never paid for anything other than economy on an airplane ticket if I get bumped.”
Steves: I drop friends' hotels from guidebooks if their quality drops
“If things go south, that hotel, even if it's run by friends of mine, is out of the book, and it breaks my heart, but I have had to drop hotels run by friends of mine, because it's no longer what it used to be when it earned a spot in the book.”